Israeli troops massing at Gaza border

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200936,00.html




Israel Rules Out Negotiating for Abducted Soldier

JERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ruled out negotiations to free a captured Israeli soldier Monday as his nation's tanks and troops gathered along the Gaza Strip border in anticipation of an operation against Palestinian militants.

"This is not a matter of negotiations, this is not a matter of bargaining," Olmert told a group of Jewish leaders in Jerusalem. Cpl. Gilad Shalit, a dual French-Israeli citizen, was seized by Palestinian gunmen in a cross-border raid on Sunday.

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/731555.html

IDF believes captured soldier being held in southern Gaza

IAF bombs Gaza bridge to prevent transport of abducted soldier inside Gaza

By Amos Harel, Avi Issacharoff, Aluf Benn and Gideon Alon, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies

An Israel Air Force aircraft attacked the main bridge between Gaza City and Khan Yunis on Monday, in an effort to prevent miltants from transporting kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit within Gaza.

According to information gleaned by the Palestinian Authority, Shalit is being held in the Khan Younis refugee camp and are trying to prevent his captors from moving him elsewhere, possibly to the Jabalya refugee camp.

IDF officials said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert approved a "limited
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operation" for southern Gaza, aimed at "terrorist infrastructure." The
officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters.

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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885856918&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

IAF aircraft blow up bridge in northern Gaza Strip

IAF aircraft blew up a key strategic bridge in the northern Gaza Strip shortly before midnight on Tuesday. The army said that the operation was intended to keep Hamas from taking kidnapped soldier Cpl. Gilad Shalit out of the Gaza Strip.

In addition, IDF tanks were amassing around Gaza, and were awaiting orders to begin a ground incursion into the strip. However, the the army denied an Israel Radio report that the armored forces had actually begun a ground incursion into the strip.

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Getting rather 'HOT' there.

What a mess!:eek:

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/731555.html

IDF launches first Gaza operation since 2005 withdrawal Olmert: We won't balk at 'extreme action' to rescue soldier

Troops take control of airport, open areas east of Rafah

By Amos Harel, Avi Issacharoff, Aluf Benn and Gideon Alon, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and News Agencies

IDF tanks and troops rolled into southern Gaza before dawn Wednesday, encountering little resistance from Palestinians, in a bid to pressure Palestinian militants into releasing an Israel Defense Forces soldier seized Sunday in an attack on a military position near the Gaza border.

Speaking after the launch of the operation, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned that Israel would not balk at "extreme action" to retrieve Corporal Gilad Shalit.

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If the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) was not holding this back, it would have exploded into all out war a long time ago.

The time is not right and will not be right until the AC is revealed when the Holy Spirit is removed.

[John * Thunder!]

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"IAF Planes Fly Over Assad's Palace!"



IAF planes flew over Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's palace in the city of Latakia in northwestern Syria early Wednesday morning, officials revealed on Wednesday evening.
The IDF said the flyover, carried out by four planes flying in a low-altitude pattern, was a part of an overall IDF operation aimed at pressuring the Syrian leadership to expel Hamas Politburo chief Khaled Mashaal from Damascus.
According to Israel, Mashaal has been calling the shots out of the Syrian capital and orchestrated the kidnapping of IDF soldier Gilad Shalit.
Syria responded by saying that its air defenses opened fire on the warplanes, forcing them to flee.
State-run Syrian television said two Israeli planes flew near Syria's Mediterranean coast early Wednesday but did not mention Israel's announcement that the planes swooped low over the summer residence of Assad.
"The overflight by two Israeli planes near the Syrian shores is an aggressive act and a provocation," the television news said, quoting an unindentified Information Ministry official.
It said "national air defenses opened fire in the direction of the planes, and they dispersed."
"If the goal of this (overflight) is to blame the political leadership of Hamas for the abduction of the Israeli soldier, then israel is making a big mistake that is goes beyond logic," the ministry official said, according to the TV report.
The IDF raised the alert on its positions along the northern frontier out of concern Hizbullah would attempt to shell northern Israel in retaliation for the flyover. The alert was also raised in light of the situation in the Gaza Strip.
Earlier, Justice Minister Haim Ramon said that Mashaal, was a target for assassination (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885870841&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)due to his ordering of the kidnapping of Shalit.
"He is definitely in our sights ... he is a target," Ramon told Army Radio. "Khaled Mashaal, as some who is overseeing, actually commanding the terror acts, is definitely a target."
Interior Minister and former Shin Bet head Avi Dichter said that the only reason Mashaal is not in an Israeli jail is that Israel, as an enlightened nation, has placed certain restrictions upon itself.
Mashaal is allegedly responsible for the attack Sunday in which two soldiers were killed and a third kidnapped, Ramon said. Israel launched a ground offensive into the southern Gaza Strip early Wednesday in an effort to force the kidnappers to free the soldier.
Israel tried to kill Mashaal in a botched assassination attempt in Jordan in 1997. Two Mossad agents injected Mashaal with poison, but were caught. As Mashaal lay dying in a Jordanian hospital, King Hussein of Jordan forced Israel to provide the antidote in return for the release of the Mossad agents.
Binyamin Netanyahu, who was prime minister at the time, was also forced to release Hamas's spiritual leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin form Israeli prison. Yassin was killed in an Israeli air strike in Gaza in March 2004.
Ramon, who said Mashaal was the equivalent to Osama Bin Laden, called on the international community to force Syrian President Bashar Assad to expel Mashaal from Damascus, where he has operated freely for years. After the assassination attempt, Jordan's relationship with Hamas deteriorated and Mashaal was expelled to Qatar, where he lived before moving to Damascus.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885870124&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

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LOL!! :p I like this quote ....


Syria responded by saying that its air defenses opened fire on
the warplanes, forcing them to flee.


Ummm, yeah. We know. :D

[Jane Doe]

If the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) was not holding this back, it would have exploded into all out war a long time ago.

The time is not right and will not be right until the AC is revealed when the Holy Spirit is removed.


I don't want to hijack this thread, but the Holy Spirit will not be here at all during Trib? Only the Two Witnesses spreading the spirit? If a small amount of people will still turn to Christ , then how will that be?

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Jane, great to see you again, Sis. :hug:

Okay, as for your question, it's like this ...

The Holy Spirit is basically GOD in Spirit Form Who Enters our hearts
when we ask His Son to Save us. Right?

Well, what The Bible is Saying is it would be so much easier for the
spirit of antichrist to run rampant in this world if not for GOD/JESUS's
Holy Spirit within the Believers. Thus, once the Rapture occurs, the
Believers and the Holy Spirit will be Taken up and out of the world.

.. and then there will be no more Christ-Spirited leaders/citizens here to
prevent a global government [Beast] and global church [False Prophet]
from rising to power! However, that doesn't mean that GOD will not Send
His Holy Spirit down to any remnants who call upon Him and beg His Divine
Intervention once they realize that they had been blind before the Rapture.

If i know the Book of Revelation enough, i believe it'll be necessary for His
Holy Spirit to Come down into hearts of the new Believers anyway, because
there will be a time when some Angels from Heaven will Swoop down and
Destroy many who have taken the M.O.t.B., and the Angel will have to know
which ones to Destroy and which ones to Pass by. How else will the Angel
Know unless either the Holy Spirit will be Within the Tribulation Believers, or
GOD will somehow Mark the Believers.

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The Holy Spirit acting as the Restrainer of evil and such will be removed as in that function. The world will be turned over to Satan.

Sorry guys, the Holy Spirit will also cease indwelling believers, on the earth, as well. He will return to the OT way of dealing with believers.

When Israel regains Covenant status, at the Rapture, the Church must be removed. You cannot have two covenants in operation at the same time.

Believers will cease to be Temples of God and the physical Temple at Jerusalem will again be where God operates from. So, again, the Church must be removed.

Law will return for believers. Again all believers will be subject to Law, not dead to the Law. The OT makes it abundantly clear of Laws that believers will have to follow

And John, God is spirit. The Father is a spirit, no flesh, the Holy Spirit is a spirit, no flesh and the spirit of Christ is God in human flesh. Together they are God. But each is a single person.

There are three persons composing the unity called God. It is a unity of persons, not a single person working in three different ways.

Not sure if you meant differently, but wanted clarity for other readers on that point.

And how will angels know? Because God tells them who is who and they are very smart and will remember.

Too many in the Church forget there were saints in the OT. They came to God and stayed with him without the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

The Holy Spirit indwelling earthly flesh is unique to the Church. OT saints did not receive him until the resurrection, when their spirits left Paradise for Heaven. In NT times only Church received him. Such as Indians, and so on, that did not hear the Gospel, came to God as the OT saints of conscience did.

Enoch did not receive the Holy Spirit on this earth. And he did not even have Mosaic Law. But God held him up as Godly.

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The PLO has adopted Alquaeda's tactics of kidnapping and murder now. That's what happens when terrorists try to be politicians and run the party. The 18-year-old Israeli they kidnapped was found shot in the head and buried in a shallow grave.

This is going to get much uglier. We know Israel doesn't handle things like America. As long as the PLO has fought with Israel, you would think they would know it too. If they resort to kidnap and murder as a way to negotiate, Israel won't suffer them a bit. They strike back. You would think the PLO would be smart enough to know that.

Or maybe they're trying to instigate a war.

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Could be they are trying to turn the Israel issue into another Iraq or Afghanastan.

The implications of that are very bad.

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Oh yeah. They're definitely trying to instigate something! I just read that
they are claiming to have fired a rocket tipped with WMD [chemical] at southern Israel!


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50841

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I heard that too, but Israel said it wasn't true.

[Jane Doe]

Thanks John and Core for your answers! Sorry I am late in my reply.








... the physical Temple at Jerusalem will again be where God operates from. So, again, the Church must be removed.

Law will return for believers. Again all believers will be subject to Law, not dead to the Law. The OT makes it abundantly clear of Laws that believers will have to follow

.................I am confused on this. Could you help me find this in the BIble?

Too many in the Church forget there were saints in the OT. They came to God and stayed with him without the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

.............Yes, I forgot that in a sense. Not about the OT saints but how the trib Christians could still accept without being Temples of God.

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Jane, hope you don't mind, but I edited your post to make the quotes more clear.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreIssue

... the physical Temple at Jerusalem will again be where God operates from. So, again, the Church must be removed.

Law will return for believers. Again all believers will be subject to Law, not dead to the Law. The OT makes it abundantly clear of Laws that believers will have to follow
.................I am confused on this. Could you help me find this in the BIble?


Sure.

Ezekiel 40-48 is an indepth description of the Temple.
Joel 3
18 "In that day the mountains will drip new wine,
and the hills will flow with milk;
all the ravines of Judah will run with water.
A fountain will flow out of the LORD's house
and will water the valley of acacias. [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=joel%203:18;&version=31;#fen-NIV-22362a)]

Isaiah 2
3 Many peoples will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths."
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Isaiah 56

4 For this is what the LORD says:
"To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths,
who choose what pleases me
and hold fast to my covenant-
5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls
a memorial and a name
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
that will not be cut off.
6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD
to serve him,
to love the name of the LORD,
and to worship him,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant-
7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations." 8 The Sovereign LORD declares—
he who gathers the exiles of Israel:
"I will gather still others to them
besides those already gathered."


Isaiah 60
7 All Kedar's flocks will be gathered to you,
the rams of Nebaioth will serve you;
they will be accepted as offerings on my altar,
and I will adorn my glorious temple.
13 "The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the pine, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn the place of my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place of my feet.

Jeremiah 33
17 For this is what the LORD says: 'David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, 18 nor will the priests, who are Levites, ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.' "


Zechariah 14

16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=zec%2014;&version=31;#fen-NIV-23087d)] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 On that dayHOLY TO THE LORD will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the LORD's house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite [e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=zec%2014;&version=31;#fen-NIV-23090e)] in the house of the LORD Almighty.


Haggai 2
6 "This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'In a little while I will once more shake the heavens and the earth, the sea and the dry land. 7 I will shake all nations, and the desired of all nations will come, and I will fill this house with glory,' says the LORD Almighty. 8 'The silver is mine and the gold is mine,' declares the LORD Almighty. 9 'The glory of this present house will be greater than the glory of the former house,' says the LORD Almighty. 'And in this place I will grant peace,' declares the LORD Almighty."

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http://www.israelnn.com/headlines.php3

00:30 Jul-18-06
IDF Deputy Chief Briefing on the State of Warfare
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Rockets Pounding Northern Areas
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Nahariya Hospital Information Number
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Rocket Attacks Continue
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Ya’ari: Hizbullah Remains Strong
22:11 Jul-17-06
Rocket Attacks Reported in the North

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http://www.dailyalert.org/

U.S. Supports Israel's Campaign - Jim Rutenberg
The Bush administration on Sunday appeared to give Israel tacit approval to cripple Hizballah, casting the widening conflict in the Middle East in terms of a wider war on terrorism. That was a central theme of both public and private statements from senior U.S. officials as they tried their best to minimize differences with European nations and their Russian hosts at the opening of the annual meeting of the Group of 8 industrialized nations. (New York Times)
See also Bush Counting on Israel to Quash Influence of Islamic Militants
The U.S. is banking on Israel achieving in Lebanon what years of diplomacy and conflict have so far failed to do: limit the ability of Syria and Iran to use Islamic radicals to undermine regional stability. President Bush and Secretary of State Rice have signaled that Israel largely has a free hand in attacking the militant group Hizballah in Lebanon. They have declined to set limits on Israeli action, and Rice says she won't engage in personal diplomacy until there is a clear path toward ending the extremist threat. (Bloomberg)
Rice: Israel May Need to Prolong Offensive - Brian Knowlton
Israel may need to prolong its offensive in Lebanon to further reduce the threat from Hizballah, Secretary of State Rice said on Sunday. Rice appeared to support a longer-term Israeli effort to inflict decisive damage to Hizballah's presence in Lebanon. She also said she was considering a trip to the region. "A cessation of violence is crucial, but if that cessation of violence is hostage to Hizballah's next decision to launch missiles into Israel or Hamas' next decision to abduct an Israeli citizen, then we will have gotten nowhere," she said. (New York Times)
See also Rice Says No Ceasefire with Armed Hizballah - Paula

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Did you see the open mike issue on TV? What Bush said about the Islamics doing this stuff?

Very clear he is mad and is backing Israel.

[Jane Doe]

Did you see the open mike issue on TV? What Bush said about the Islamics doing this stuff?

Very clear he is mad and is backing Israel.


No.... what was it?

[CoreIssue]

No.... what was it?
Blair and he were talking on the current happenings.

Bush basically said Hezbolah needed to knock off the ****. Plus some other angry comments at them.

[Jane Doe]

He's never been too thoughtful with his language choices, IMO.

[CoreIssue]

He's never been too thoughtful with his language choices, IMO.
Well, the bad language aside, I didn't hear him say anything that was not true. He was mad. Blair was not in too good a mood over the issues, either.

Even heard some Islamic Imams, or such, in Saudia Arabia, declared a fatwa on the Hezbola.

Meaning, religious condemnation.

But true, his word choices lack way too often.