Road Map up in smoke

[Chrystalwuzhere]

When Ariel Sharon had his devastating stroke, and Hamas was elected to the majority in the Palestinian government, the Road Map to Peace went up in smoke. Not only is it not a feasible plan, but the term "when Hell freezes over" comes to mind when thinking of its success. The peace plan is dead in the water. Not only do people absolutely know it failed, and is a dead issue, but they also are bracing for fallout.

Now there is a civil war brewing within the PLO between the factions who are trying to govern it, but Israel has started becoming heavy handed again in dealing with Palestinian terrorists and militants.

Check out this scenario and see how it could work. If I'm wrong in my assessment, then at least we can discuss it.

Scenario: Israel and the Palestinians continue to clash, finally leading to a war between them. Israel has the capability to utterly squash them when they take the gloves off and get down to business...which is what they do. The wounded, threatened, and defeated Palestinians call for aid, which brings others such as Syria and Iran into the picture. Israel strikes back and obliterates Damascus. (The time table for this is over an extended period of time, leading into the Tribulation period.)

Okay, lets look at that scene and see how far off I am, or at least discuss the possiblities.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

The Palestinian authority, led by Hamas now, has adopted Alquaeda's tactics. They have kidnapped an Israeli soldier, and demanded release of Palestinian prisoners. Israel's response to this? Ehud Olmert said...

"I gave the orders to our military commanders to prepare the army for a broad and ongoing military operation to strike the terrorist leaders and all those involved," he said. "It should be clear. There will be immunity for no one."

They have armed themselves and are ready. They handle things quite forcefully, and with Hamas as their sparring partner, the only response they will give to PLO terror tactics is a military response. With Hamas as the PLO leaders, Israel will NOT barter, or bargain. They will just strike back. Things are a lot more "on edge" than people realize.

So, in light of this, does the scenario I posted above seem feasible?

[CoreIssue]

That is a hard one to be definitive on.

We know Russia, Iran and Syria attack Israel at Mid. We know the neighboring countries destroy Iraq for some issue that goes very badly there. We know that 3.5 years, before Mid, the AC does something that disarms Israel and gives them secure peace and holds off the Arab countries.

Now, how we get to the treaty and Trib is not know in detail. Just that issues will grow and grow there.

I don't see Russia and the EU in your formula. Yet they are key.

Where do you see them? They cannot be left out.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

That's a good question, Core. :nod:

Honestly, I was really trying to put together the pieces of the puzzle that lead to Isaiah 17. I can't get a clear picture in my mind of the role that Russia and the EU will play, or how it all starts. I mean, I know the broad picture, and the ending; but, that's not what I'm trying to see here. I'm looking for the few small pebbles that will start the massive avalanche. How it begins, I guess. The factor that brings about the destruction of Damascus, the timing, and the key players involved.


ISAIAH 17

1 The oracle concerning Damascus. "Behold, Damascus is about to be removed from being a city, And it will become a fallen ruin.

2 "The cities of Aroer are forsaken; They will be for flocks to lie down in, And there will be no one to frighten them.

3 "The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim, And sovereignty from Damascus And the remnant of Aram; They will be like the glory of the sons of Israel," Declares the LORD of hosts.

4 Now it will come about in that day that the glory of Jacob will fade, And the fatness of his flesh will become lean.

5 It will be even like the reaper gathering the standing grain, As his arm harvests the ears, Or it will be like one gleaning ears of grain In the valley of Rephaim.

[CoreIssue]

Look at Russia now. They have leadership desiring to restore the USSR. They control the natural gas flow to the EU and have used it as a threat against them.

The EU is running scared of this.

Where does the main supply of oil and such come from? The Middle East and heavily from Iran.

Who is Iran at heavy points of contention with? The US, Israel and the EU.

And look at the Islamic issues in the EU.

The EU is really in a tight spot here.

If Iran can destory Israel, on its own, the EU and Russia loose big time.

So, the EU cannot let Iran accomplish its goal. But how do they stop them unless they come in militarily, politically and/or economonically?

And how do the do that without exploding the Middle East? By coming in on Israel's side.

And what happens when they do? Their own Islamics rise up worse than ever! A true quandry.

So where does this leave Russia?

They don't want to Middle East to explode. They loose all the revenues and such coming out of there.

Nor can they back Israel. Or intervene militarily against Iran.

So, they have to try to hold the US and the EU at bay. And keep Iran calm.

How do you keep Iran calm? By stalling an invasion of Israel on the basis of the right timing and building up strength.

And now the PLO stuff. That threatens both the EU and Russia if things explode.

Now, to say what will probably put you right up the wall. As in what the trigger will be is a mystery and why the AC will be seen as a god and miracle man. He will come up with what none of the rest of us can possibly see.

And that timing is hidden because it coincides with the Rapture which only the Father knows.

Wish I could see your face when you read my opinion. :scare:

See the delicate balance at play there?

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Okay.... give me time to digest this. :fly:

I mean, really...I need to ponder this stuff.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

:rollingp:

[CoreIssue]

:rollingp:
:roflmbo:

[John * Thunder!]

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How interesting. You all are talking about "Signs" which could be indicative
of just how close His Return is, and i do remember Him Telling us that there
will be Signs in Heaven.

Which brings me to this news article ...


Huge Asteroid to Fly Past Earth July 3

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060626/sc_space/hugeasteroidtoflypastearthjuly3


Can this be a "Sign" from our Father Himself?? I mean, come on. The nation of
America is supposed to be the most Christian and the most civilized, right?? Well,
look at her today, and only getting worse!

Keep looking up, Brethren! :nod:

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[CoreIssue]

I am cautious about seeing signs everywhere. We see where that can lead to.

But, it has a tie in with the Trib, for sure.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Scenario: Israel and the Palestinians continue to clash, finally leading to a war between them. Israel has the capability to utterly squash them when they take the gloves off and get down to business...which is what they do. The wounded, threatened, and defeated Palestinians call for aid, which brings others such as Syria and Iran into the picture. Israel strikes back and obliterates Damascus. (The time table for this is over an extended period of time, leading into the Tribulation period.)


Wow! This scenario didn't pan out at all. Isn't it amazing what difference a few weeks can make in the overall scheme of things? The picture is a little more clearer now, and I didn't even see things happening quite like we have them now. This is what happens when you look through a glass darkly.

[CoreIssue]

Wow! This scenario didn't pan out at all. Isn't it amazing what difference a few weeks can make in the overall scheme of things? The picture is a little more clearer now, and I didn't even see things happening quite like we have them now. This is what happens when you look through a glass darkly.
That is why I am very cautious to keep to what the Bible says. Regardless of how thing appear to be going.

My perspective could get blown out of the water. But so far it is staying sound.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I understand what you mean. It is kinda fun to set and try to gauge how things will come about. It's neat when we see how right or wrong we are.