Question

[Brandli5]

Please help me in this question.

I have been looking.

I have been taught in biblel studies about the end times that there will be a One world goverment, or a new world order.

In the bible, I Cannot find this.

Can someone please write something about this so I can give an answer to someone. I have looked and looked, and I am at a loss.

Is it just a made up thing, or will it happen.

ALso, where do we find this at??

Thanks.

[CoreIssue]

You won't find a One World government statement in the Bible. It is never made.

What is laid out is that the old Roman Empire will reform. That is the EU, today. That the AC will rise to power and turn become its Emporer, as Alexander turned the ancient Grecian Federation into a conquering Empire.

He will engage in many wars during the first half of the Trib. Russia, Iran, Germany and such will attempt to conquer Israel at Mid Trib. The AC will attack them and they will be defeated.

The AC will swing west to conquer the coast, but a strong island nation from the west will intervene, probably the US. He will turn back and conquer Israel, breaking the 7 year treaty he established to open the Trib.

At Armageddon, he will summon the armies of the world to fight along side him against Christ.

But remember, in the Greek and Hebrew something can be called all inclusive that means a part of th whole. So the AC will never rule all the world directly. He will rule the restored Roman Empire outright and others through alliances and fear. But he will never rule all or cease to have enemies.

A good starting point on this kind of study, since it is emense, would be to go to the End Times Charts link at the top of the page and start there. I would recommend Daniel first.

[Brandli5]

Thanks a bunch Core.

You have a good way of explaining things.

[CoreIssue]

Thanks a bunch Core.

You have a good way of explaining things.
You are most welcome. :tiphat:

[Centurion]

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev. 13:16-17

These verses indicate that the AC does exert control over all of humanity during the Tribulation.

[Jessie]

that used to be very confusing to me because so many said the AC would
rule the world or implied it.

I'm glad you asked this question because it now makes more sense to me!

[Jessie]

Core you said the AC would summon armies of the world to fight Christ.
does this mean they know hes returning?

I thought it was just an all out war that man would be on the verge on anniliation or possibly destroying the entire earth.

[CoreIssue]

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev. 13:16-17

These verses indicate that the AC does exert control over all of humanity during the Tribulation.
No. It really does not not.

It is talking about within the realm of the AC Empire and the countries under his sway.

The AC never dominates the whole earth. He most assuredly is shown at war throughout the first half of the Trib. And it never indicates he overcomes all his enemies.

The enemies from the Islands, in example that turn back his advance against the east, thus entering Israel, were strong enough to oppose him. The are never shown defeated.

He is never shown to defeat China either.

He has influence, for sure. But not complete control.

[CoreIssue]

Core you said the AC would summon armies of the world to fight Christ.
does this mean they know hes returning?

I thought it was just an all out war that man would be on the verge on anniliation or possibly destroying the entire earth.
In the 6th Bowl the AC specifically gathers the armies to Medigo, where Armageddon is.

He is not doing so to conquer Israel. He already did that at Mid and his Statue with Satan in it is in the Temple in Jerusalem.
Revelation 16
12The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13Then I saw three evil[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=16&version=31&context=chapter#fen-NIV-30952a)] spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.
The False Trinity knows Christ is coming. It says they gather for the specific purpose of fighting him.

Anyone with any Bible knowledge will be able to compute the Second Coming. 2,520 days from the Treaty/Rapture/appearing of the Two Witnesses. 1,260 days from the AC conqueriing Israel, the death of the Two Witnesses and the Woman fleeing.

The Rapture is Only the Father Knows, not the Second Coming once that occurs.

The armies will know.

Also note, it says they go out to the kinds to gather the armies. It does not say ll the armies come.

In the OT it is very plain all the armies of the world will not come. It says the nations who did come and fight will the ones required to come to Jerusalem every year. Not every nation on the earth will have to come.

[Jessie]

In the 6th Bowl the AC specifically gathers the armies to Medigo, where Armageddon is.

He is not doing so to conquer Israel. He already did that at Mid and his Statue with Satan in it is in the Temple in Jerusalem.

The False Trinity knows Christ is coming. It says they gather for the specific purpose of fighting him.

Anyone with any Bible knowledge will be able to compute the Second Coming. 2,520 days from the Treaty/Rapture/appearing of the Two Witnesses. 1,260 days from the AC conqueriing Israel, the death of the Two Witnesses and the Woman fleeing.

The Rapture is Only the Father Knows, not the Second Coming once that occurs.

The armies will know.

Also note, it says they go out to the kinds to gather the armies. It does not say ll the armies come.

In the OT it is very plain all the armies of the world will not come. It says the nations who did come and fight will the ones required to come to Jerusalem every year. Not every nation on the earth will have to come.


the statue with satan, is that the image with life?

and finally its makes sense about those nations who will have to go to Jerusalem every yr!

[CoreIssue]

the statue with satan, is that the image with life?
Yes. The 6th Bowl indicates the name of he statue with Satan, the Dragon, in it, is the dragon.

[Centurion]

No. It really does not not.

It is talking about within the realm of the AC Empire and the countries under his sway.

The AC never dominates the whole earth. He most assuredly is shown at war throughout the first half of the Trib. And it never indicates he overcomes all his enemies.

The enemies from the Islands, in example that turn back his advance against the east, thus entering Israel, were strong enough to oppose him. The are never shown defeated.

He is never shown to defeat China either.

He has influence, for sure. But not complete control.
Hi CoreIssue,

I must disagree. Again, I believe the following Scriptures (and the ones I posted earlier) clearly describe global control, not just regional.


Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Rev. 13:2-4 And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?

Rev. 13:5-8 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

The AC will not have to defeat all nations to bring them under his control, many are going to go willingly, especially considering the signs and wonders the AC will work. I think the Kings of the East will resist to a degree, but will not be able to completely escape his influence.

[CoreIssue]

Hi Centurion,

It is a good topic for discussion.


Hi CoreIssue,

I must disagree. Again, I believe the following Scriptures (and the ones I posted earlier) clearly describe global control, not just regional.



Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.


The Fourth Kingdom was Rome. This is not the AC kingdom talked about here.

It conquered the known world, either by direct rule or influence. But it never conquered th whole world. And never did all the nations bow to it, ever.

The AC Beast is a composite Beast of all 4 Beasts. Check the descriptions.

The 4th never had ten horns or 7 heads.

Rev. 13:2-4 And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?


Again, not the 4th Beast.

And being astonished at does not mean rules over.

The religion will extend world wide. But the physical rule never will.

And the usage of all you are saying is disproven by the simple fact the Trib Saints will never follow the Beast.

Not all of Man takes the Mark. 1/3 of Man does not and enters the MK.

Rev. 13:5-8 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

Again, the Bible makes it clear not every nation is under the AC. As with the statement of all the nations that were at Armageddon have to go annually to Jerusalem. A clear statement not all nations will have to go.

Even the verse shows not all will worship the Beast. Those whose name are in the book of life will not.

If all worship the beast, then all take the mark. If all take the mark, then no living flesh survives to enter the MK.

But we most assuredly know the MK is inhabited, has birth and death, and so on.

The AC will not have to defeat all nations to bring them under his control, many are going to go willingly, especially considering the signs and wonders the AC will work. I think the Kings of the East will resist to a degree, but will not be able to completely escape his influence.
Influence is not the same are ruling over.

Rome never ruled the whole earth. It indeed influenced, but never ruled over.

It was a death penalty, in Rome, to reject the emporer as a god. Yet many did so and never were touched. And many subject nations, such as Israel, had other gods, but were left alone, in that regard.

It is not an absolute statement. The Greek and Hebrew, with the grammar including absolutes that actually mean a part of the whole, can be revery frustrating in reading, at times.

In example, at Mid, the AC is withstood by the powers of the Islands, which I believe includes the US.

Powerful, yes. Absolute in power, never.

[Jessie]

where are the scriptures for the strong island nation?

and if its the us then would something have happened to make us a island or can we be considered a island now?

[CoreIssue]

where are the scriptures for the strong island nation?

and if its the us then would something have happened to make us a island or can we be considered a island now?

Daniel 11
21 "He will be succeeded by a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty.
The AC.

He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure, and he will seize it through intrigue. 22 Then an overwhelming army will be swept away before him; both it and a prince of the covenant will be destroyed. 23 After coming to an agreement with him, he will act deceitfully, and with only a few people he will rise to power. 24 When the richest provinces feel secure, he will invade them and will achieve what neither his fathers nor his forefathers did. He will distribute plunder, loot and wealth among his followers. He will plot the overthrow of fortresses—but only for a time.
25 "With a large army he will stir up his strength and courage against the king of the South. The king of the South will wage war with a large and very powerful army, but he will not be able to stand because of the plots devised against him. 26 Those who eat from the king's provisions will try to destroy him; his army will be swept away, and many will fall in battle. 27 The two kings, with their hearts bent on evil, will sit at the same table and lie to each other, but to no avail, because an end will still come at the appointed time. 28 The king of the North will return to his own country with great wealth, but his heart will be set against the holy covenant. He will take action against it and then return to his own country.

The AC does many wars, treaties and such for 3.5 years. But he does not invade Israel. We see the Gog/Magog war here as well.
29 "At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. 30 Ships of the western coastlands [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=34&chapter=11&version=31#fen-NIV-22067d)] will oppose him, and he will lose heart.
This time he looses. The ships of the costlands, or Kittam, defeat him.

Kittam is a much debated term. In general, it means the islands of the Mediterranian. But obviously they do not have that kind of power. Unless they are something like a US Naval Base with troops.

So obviously. At Mid the AC is not controlling the whole world.
Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant.
Now he attacks Israel. He breaks the treaty.

He only shows favor to those Jews who take his mark.

31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
Solidly in line with the 70th Week of Daniel and the 3 Woes/Trumpets 5-7 of Revelation.

I didn't do all the passages. Too many. A worthwhile read, though.

This parallels Ezekiel 38-39 concerning Mid events.

Obviously he did not invade Israel before or they wound neither be unarmed or unsuspecting.

So what actions did he take againt the covenant? Smashing all who object to his invasion? Establing spies and such within Israel?

He could not enter if he wanted to, prior to Mid. The Two Witnesses would have slaugthered him and his troops. Israel was under God's protection.

[Jessie]

now its even making more sense, thanks for explaining this out!

[CoreIssue]

now its even making more sense, thanks for explaining this out!
Not easy and not 100% clear in the reading.

Note, as well, it says the prince he destroys is a party to the covenant. That as well says this is after the AC Treaty is signed.