Christology

[Street Sweeper]

I have recently been having some discussion on another forum centred on Matthew 27:46.

“My God, My God why have you forsaken me?”

The question originally posed was, “why did Jesus say these words”. When I did some searches on this subject I found what appear to be a number of different perspectives. Most people generally accept as a starting point that, the words are a reference to the first line of Psalm 22. Beyond this however Jesus words seem to be widely interpreted.

Some people seem to take a very simple view and just say that the words refer only to one of :
1. The first line of Psalm 22, and what appears at first to be despair is actually a cry of triumph
2. An understandable human cry of despair under extreme physical torture
3. Real isolation from God as he carried the sins of all people

Other people take a slightly more complex view and argue that 2, or perhaps even all three interpretations apply.

I don’t have any problem accepting the concept of trinity, but this does seem difficult to reconcile with the information we have presented about the crucifixion. A few of the questions running through my mind are:
1. If Jesus was isolated from God at this time is it sensible to say that He is wholly God and vice versa?
2. Does spiritual death through isolation from God apply to Jesus?
3. Are people who reject God spiritually dead in this earthly life?

I think I had a few other questions but my mind has just gone blank.:scratch:

Okay, I know I’ve given this topic the title ‘Christology’ and that my questions do stray from the nature of Christ. Whatever the focus I’m interested to hear the views of other people.

[Brandli5]

I will tell you the truth, I do not have a clue what he meant.

I can say though, I am sure its nothing againt God in anyway.

[CoreIssue]

I have recently been having some discussion on another forum centred on Matthew 27:46.

“My God, My God why have you forsaken me?”

The question originally posed was, “why did Jesus say these words”. When I did some searches on this subject I found what appear to be a number of different perspectives. Most people generally accept as a starting point that, the words are a reference to the first line of Psalm 22. Beyond this however Jesus words seem to be widely interpreted.

Some people seem to take a very simple view and just say that the words refer only to one of :
1. The first line of Psalm 22, and what appears at first to be despair is actually a cry of triumph

The whole chapter is what is a called a dual passage. The prophetic part is indeed Christ's death on the cross, his victory over death and the future results of that death.
2. An understandable human cry of despair under extreme physical torture
True but too simplistic. Far more than that.
3. Real isolation from God as he carried the sins of all people
It was isolation from the Father, his God, as a human.
Other people take a slightly more complex view and argue that 2, or perhaps even all three interpretations apply.
All three apply.

I don’t have any problem accepting the concept of trinity, but this does seem difficult to reconcile with the information we have presented about the crucifixion. A few of the questions running through my mind are:
1. If Jesus was isolated from God at this time is it sensible to say that He is wholly God and vice versa?

Christ was not and never is totally God. His flesh is only human, his spirit is only God and his mind is totally both. He is truly the Godman.

But on the earth he set aside his divine powers and rights so that while his spirit was still God in substance it was man in function.
2. Does spiritual death through isolation from God apply to Jesus?
No. A man died on the cross, God did not. Flesh died. Spirit did not.

The Father could not look upon the sin on Christ. He had to separate from Christ to allow the sin to enter the grave.

Christ took on sin. He did not become sinful.
3. Are people who reject God spiritually dead in this earthly life?
Yes.

A person is born with sin nature, but not sin death. When they become aware of what sin is and commit it, they die spiritually.

An innocent is not born-again, but they go to Heaven. A sinner is born-again to go the Heaven. Both get there, but for different reasons. As in one is never responsible thus not condemned and the other has that responsiblity taken away by Christ's blood, thus it as if they never sinned at all.
I think I had a few other questions but my mind has just gone blank.:scratch:
The joys of being human!:laugh:

Okay, I know I’ve given this topic the title ‘Christology’ and that my questions do stray from the nature of Christ. Whatever the focus I’m interested to hear the views of other people.

Good focus. ;)