The Russian Connection

[CoreIssue]

Many wonder how Russia will get back in the game to fulfill its role in prophecy.

One major connection is coming to light.

Russia is rapidly gaining control of European oil. Getting back into the Empire business. But this time from the economic angle instead of the military one.

Mid East oil plus Russian control A link that can indeed put a hook in Russia and draw them down militarily into attacking Israel.

[InTheWind]

And with nukes in the hands of their friends like Iran and Syria it would make it all the more tempting

[CoreIssue]

And with nukes in the hands of their friends like Iran and Syria it would make it all the more tempting
:nod:

[Jessie]

God said they would go against Isreal...

I am curious as to what reason they have. do they want the land? or is it just that satan hates them and wants to get rid of them?

[InTheWind]

God said they would go against Isreal...

I am curious as to what reason they have. do they want the land? or is it just that satan hates them and wants to get rid of them?

I think they`er jealous of them, they gathered from all over the world and became a prosperous nation.

[CoreIssue]

God said they would go against Isreal...

I am curious as to what reason they have. do they want the land? or is it just that satan hates them and wants to get rid of them?
They hate anything not Islamic.

And they really hate the Jews.

[CoreIssue]

I think they`er jealous of them, they gathered from all over the world and became a prosperous nation.
Agree.

God blessed Israel.

Every good thing that happens to Israel and Christians speaks of God not being on their side.

[Brandli5]

boy,

I hope they wake us soon.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I've always wondered why Russia was so gung-ho about supplying nations like Iran and Syria. It's as if they're willfully thumbing their nose at the world.

[InTheWind]

My opinion is they could give a hoot about religion but their goal is to dominate the world and will use what ever means nessasary.

[CoreIssue]

My opinion is they could give a hoot about religion but their goal is to dominate the world and will use what ever means nessasary.
Yep.

Russia's involvement in prophecy is not religion based. It is power based.

[Patty T]

I see Israel attacking Iran before it's too late (for them). I see Russia coming to Iran's aid and the U.S. to Israel's.

Before long, the entire Middle East will be involved in what could be Ezekiel 38, 39.

Thank God for His sovereignty that nothing happens without His permission or will.

[CoreIssue]

I see Israel attacking Iran before it's too late (for them). I see Russia coming to Iran's aid and the U.S. to Israel's.

Before long, the entire Middle East will be involved in what could be Ezekiel 38, 39.

Thank God for His sovereignty that nothing happens without His permission or will.
Hi, Patty.

Watch the EU. This is all setting up the AC to come to power.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 are not until Mid to Second Coming. Israel is a long way from being a defenseless country as required in the prophecy. Also, the AC does not invade Israel until Mid, thus setting the time pretty firmly.

But this is most assuredly moving things in that direction.

[Jane Doe]

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"I see Israel attacking Iran before it's too late (for them). I see Russia coming to Iran's aid and the U.S. to Israel's.

Before long, the entire Middle East will be involved in what could be Ezekiel 38, 39.

Thank God for His sovereignty that nothing happens without His permission or will."

I totally agree

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Israel is a long way from being a defenseless country as required in the prophecy.

A scenario like this mess with Iran, Syria, and Russia would be enough to cripple Israel domestically, and prime them for the AC.

[CoreIssue]

Well, Ezekiel says the AC enters a peaceful and unarmed nation.

What is being said here is when Israel is neither peaceful or unarmed.

The AC Treaty unarms Israel and gives it peace. Not a war.

And the destruction by God in Ezekiel is Armageddon, at the Second Coming.

If you are going to bring Ezekiel 38 & 39 into events before even the Rapture or at the Rapture you have to deal with ALL the passages say. Not just selected parts.

So, how do you any of you justify the peaceful and unarmed Israel statement as relating to anything before Mid?

[Chrystalwuzhere]

So, how do you any of you justify the peaceful and unarmed Israel statement as relating to anything before Mid?

Now, that just caused a lightbulb to go off. :nod:

It would have to be at a time of peace, and not war. The AC will give them a false sense of peace...that's what the unwalled village passage in Ezekiel 38:11 means. I posted in the Gog/Maggog thread that I didn't understand what the "unwalled villages" part meant. Now I do.

Okay, let's say this for the sake of argument.... this mess with Iran will slingshot Israel into a state of war, and Syria, as well as Russia butt in, and then the EU gets involved, and because of all the war, the AC has fertile ground to plant his seeds of destruction. He'll step forward with *gasp* the perfect plan to bring an end to all of this strife.

Yes?

If I'm even half way right, we're soooooooooo close. Wow!!! :faint:

[CoreIssue]

Now, that just caused a lightbulb to go off. :nod:

It would have to be at a time of peace, and not war. The AC will give them a false sense of peace...that's what the unwalled village passage in Ezekiel 38:11 means. I posted in the Gog/Maggog thread that I didn't understand what the "unwalled villages" part meant. Now I do.

Exactly! :D


And by prophecy, it is at Mid he will break the treaty and invade.
Okay, let's say this for the sake of argument.... this mess with Iran will slingshot Israel into a state of war, and Syria, as well as Russia butt in, and then the EU gets involved, and because of all the war, the AC has fertile ground to plant his seeds of destruction. He'll step forward with *gasp* the perfect plan to bring an end to all of this strife.

Yes?

Not exactly. But close.

The tensions will be at the threat of war. The EU will step in becuase this is such a threat to them.

The treaty will hold those who attack at Mid at bay. Israel, in its foolishness will believe they have true peace, finally.

There are battles throughout the first half of the Trib between the AC and these other nations. But Israel believes the mighty EU with it treaty member nations are more than powerful enough to keep them safe. As long as they stay out of it.

At Mid, the AC finally achieves enough victories and consolidates his followers enough that his true plans can be revealed. So he marches into Israel, proclaims himself god and so on.


If I'm even half way right, we're soooooooooo close. Wow!!! :faint:

Right on many details. Just not on how they will play out. ;)

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Okay, so while the AC is keeping Israel so-called safe, I know that he will be fittin' and fussin' with Russia and China. Israel will be lulled into thinking the AC will keep them safe from all harm from other countries, then he enters and desecrates the temple and begins the persecution of Israel. Check!

Now, what are we seeing in the news now that could be leading us to this point? Iran?

[CoreIssue]

Okay, so while the AC is keeping Israel so-called safe, I know that he will be fittin' and fussin' with Russia and China. Israel will be lulled into thinking the AC will keep them safe from all harm from other countries, then he enters and desecrates the temple and begins the persecution of Israel. Check!

Now, what are we seeing in the news now that could be leading us to this point? Iran?
The EU is fussing with China, Russia, France and Germany because they have so many economic ties with Iran. But Iran is threatening to cause WW III.

Also, the Muslims have become so numerous in the EU they are becoming a threat. Some have stated they are going to force the EU to be Muslim. Again, backed by Iran, Syria and such.

Even further, Iran now has missiles that can reach the EU countries. Way up into Europe.

Iran is destablizing the Middle East and directly threatening Israel. Israel is directly threatening Iran.

All this threatens the EU oil supplies, because Russia, between its ties with the Middle East and its own resources is rapidly taking control of the Eupropean oil.

So, if Israel is a threat to Iran it is also threat to Russia via Iran.

But the EU does not want Russia to gain that level of control over oil and that level of power in the Middle East.

China wants to get the bucks from the Middle East as well. And China and Russia have been enemies for a very long time.

China wants land back Russia took from them. China and Russia have some common borders.

And so on.

This is quite a dance centering on Iran. But Israel is the main threat to Iran so all these others are drawn in.

If the war you guys are talking about broke out now the whole Middle East would go up in nuclear flames. Which would decimate Russia economically and hurt China big time.

The radiation would poison China and parts of Europe.

Then, with the Middle East rubble, the Muslims in the EU would go to war against the EU, trying to carve out a new nitch. As would the Muslims in Russia.

Russia must back the Muslims. China must stop Russia. And the EU must stop both China and Russia.

The key is the Middle East Conflict with Israel.

Stop that with the AC treaty, which would directly threaten Iran, and Russia has to put a lid on Iran. China has to walk softly so as to not disrupt the peace and Iran is not strong enough to take on Iran.

But, as the wars progress in the first half of the Trib, the AC, now the conquering Roman Emporer, is taking on more and more power in the Middle East. Again Iran feels threatened and Russia's hand is being forced, which triggers involvement by China.

And he begins persecuting mono-theistic religions. Thus the martyrs under the alter at the 5th Seal from the first half of the Trib.

Russia and their allies act, out of desperation, and false promises from the AC. The AC betrays them and crushes them. Then he turns west to take out the rest of the nations in the way of his plans. But the US gets involved, along with some other Western Powers.

He cannot deal with that, so he know his time is running down, so he invades Israel because his forces are there, his enemies in the region are crushed, Russia is devasted and Israel is not expecting it. And the US is in no position to stop him.

Hope that makes sense. It is a very big 5 or 6 way political dance that the Treaty and wars of the first half of the Trib do a major rewrite upon.

Of course some of the details could be off and need tweaking. But I believe that is a good theory that does not violate Daniel, Revelation, Ezekiel, Malachi or any other prophetic books.

[Patty T]

Well, Ezekiel says the AC enters a peaceful and unarmed nation.

What is being said here is when Israel is neither peaceful or unarmed.

The AC Treaty unarms Israel and gives it peace. Not a war.

And the destruction by God in Ezekiel is Armageddon, at the Second Coming.

If you are going to bring Ezekiel 38 & 39 into events before even the Rapture or at the Rapture you have to deal with ALL the passages say. Not just selected parts.

So, how do you any of you justify the peaceful and unarmed Israel statement as relating to anything before Mid?

Hi CoreIssue,

I am having a hard time finding where the AC is even mentioned in the Ezekiel passages. We just did a 9 month study on Revelation and we were everwhere in the OT prophecies that related! The Ezekiel prophecies of 38 and 39 were discussed as well.

Can you please point me to the passage(s) in Ezekiel 38 or 39 where the AC is mentioned?

Thanks,

Patty

[CoreIssue]

Hi CoreIssue,

I am having a hard time finding where the AC is even mentioned in the Ezekiel passages. We just did a 9 month study on Revelation and we were everwhere in the OT prophecies that related! The Ezekiel prophecies of 38 and 39 were discussed as well.

Can you please point me to the passage(s) in Ezekiel 38 or 39 where the AC is mentioned?

Thanks,

Patty
He isn't. It is a prophecy strictly against Gog and Magog.

You find him here concerning the Mid Trib invasion by Russia.
Daniel 11
21 "He will be succeeded by a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty.

The AC is a king not born of royalty. The historical king normally seen here was.

Reading on you see the 7 year covenant broken and so on.

This is the AC defeating Russia at Mid through deceit.

It also says God will ultimately destroy them. It does not say he will do it via Christ.

Check out the End Times Charts link at the top of the page.

[Patty T]

A few posts above you said:


Originally Posted by CoreIssue

Well, Ezekiel says the AC enters a peaceful and unarmed nation.

What is being said here is when Israel is neither peaceful or unarmed.

The AC Treaty unarms Israel and gives it peace. Not a war.

And the destruction by God in Ezekiel is Armageddon, at the Second Coming.

If you are going to bring Ezekiel 38 & 39 into events before even the Rapture or at the Rapture you have to deal with ALL the passages say. Not just selected parts.

So, how do you any of you justify the peaceful and unarmed Israel statement as relating to anything before Mid?[/I]

So I asked where you found him (the AC) in Ezekiel... you say..


He isn't. It is a prophecy strictly against Gog and Magog.

You find him here concerning the Mid Trib invasion by Russia.

It also says God will ultimately destroy them. It does not say he will do it via Christ.

Check out the End Times Charts link at the top of the page.

Hopefully you can see my confusion ;)

I agree the Ezekiel prophecy of 38 and 39 is against God/Magog, but don't necessarily agree that the invasion will be mid trib - my take on the scriptures anyway :):

Patty

[CoreIssue]

Hopefully you can see my confusion ;)
Yes. But you are looking for a presentation in the modern English style of communications and thinking.

The Bible was written in the ancient style of communications and thinking. Which was vastly different.
I agree the Ezekiel prophecy of 38 and 39 is against God/Magog, but don't necessarily agree that the invasion will be mid trib - my take on the scriptures anyway :):
You missed what I said. It is one event spread over 3.5 years. Not a single event at a single time. As the Day of the Lord is one event spread over 1,000 years. As the First Resurrection is on the whole Day of the Lord, and not just the Rapture.

Let me see if I can get you to see the point on your own. Explain when this is true in Ezekiel 38:
You will say, "I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.
It most assuredly is not true at Armageddon or any time in the Great Trib. It most assuredly is not true now.

[Patty T]

Yes. But you are looking for a presentation in the modern English style of communications and thinking.

The Bible was written in the ancient style of communications and thinking. Which was vastly different.

You missed what I said. It is one event spread over 3.5 years. Not a single event at a single time. As the Day of the Lord is one event spread over 1,000 years. As the First Resurrection is on the whole Day of the Lord, and not just the Rapture.

Let me see if I can get you to see the point on your own. Explain when this is true in Ezekiel 38:

It most assuredly is not true at Armageddon or any time in the Great Trib. It most assuredly is not true now.

To recap - you see the Gog/Magog invasion as lasting 3-1/2 years? I suppose it could, but personally don't really know for sure. I think we are on the very brink of this war with Russia.

I also disagree that the DOTL is spead over 1000 years. Check out these different passages. They seem to indicate to me (at least) this is going to be a specific time and the duration will not be over a thousand year period:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/d/1147823347-6985.html

[CoreIssue]

To recap - you see the Gog/Magog invasion as lasting 3-1/2 years? I suppose it could, but personally don't really know for sure. I think we are on the very brink of this war with Russia.

I also disagree that the DOTL is spead over 1000 years. Check out these different passages. They seem to indicate to me (at least) this is going to be a specific time and the duration will not be over a thousand year period:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/d/1147823347-6985.html
But I do not see you dealing with the simple reality of the verse I posted stating Israel is an unarmed nation of peaceful and unsuspecting people.

There is no way in any manner that condition can be assigned to now. Impossible.

Israel is most assuredly very armed and very unpeaceful.

You cannot dismiss that conditional statement. Simple cannot.

It is not the condition now. It is not the condition at the Second Coming/Armageddon.

Prophetically it can ONLY be at Mid. And it is the situation as laid out in Daniel 11 as well.

How do you get around that conditional statement?


As for the DOTL, I did a study on this using only the verses that said Day of the Lord in Greek and Hebrew. Most assuredly you see DOTL during the Trib, at the Second Coming and after the MK when the earth is destroyed. Read

Day of the Lord (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1867&highlight=day+of+the+lord)

Day of the Lord Jesus Christ (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1868&highlight=day+of+the+lord)

To reject this is to cause a huge problem you will have to explain. It says ALL saints are in the First Resurrection and ALL damned in the Second. There is resurrection at the Rapture, at Mid when the Two Witnesses resurrect, at the Second Coming when the Trib Saints stand before the resurrected who come with Christ and are then resurrected themselves and all of the saints from the MK.

There is one First Resurrection and one Second. Not 3, 4 5 or more. And First Resurrection is one day.

The proof is right there.

[Brandli5]

To reject this is to cause a huge problem you will have to explain. It says ALL saints are in the First Resurrection and ALL damned in the Second. There is resurrection at the Rapture, at Mid when the Two Witnesses resurrect, at the Second Coming when the Trib Saints stand before the resurrected who come with Christ and are then resurrected themselves and all of the saints from the MK.

There is one First Resurrection and one Second. Not 3, 4 5 or more. And First Resurrection is one day.

The proof is right there.

That is exactly what I have been taught long ago. Its the same as I see it today when I read the studies today.