Adam & Eve -- Were They Real? Astonishing New DNA Evidence Points to Eden

[Sid]

“With the discovery of what scientists have aptly named Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve, new genetic and DNA evidence with the fossil record show very clearly that modern humans are not related to previously existing hominids as once believed.

“There is astonishing new evidence to support the position that homo sapien sapiens exploded onto the scene less than 100,000 years ago from a single man and a single woman.

“Even more astounding is that scientists now know that human origins had their beginning in a particular geographical area—the same area identified by most biblical scholars as the physical location of the Garden of Eden. Belief in a literal and historical Adam and Eve as recounted in the Bible has greater scientific credibility today than at any other time in human history.

“The old paradigm of the Darwinian theory of biological evolution is simply no longer valid in light of today’s rapidly changing technology,” continues Rana. “But many in the scientific community refuse to accept a paradigm shift because until now, there has not been another model with superior explanatory power and predictive success to replace the evolutionary model.”



Adam & Eve -- Were They Real? Astonishing New DNA Evidence Points to Eden (http://www.earnedmedia.org/cpr0315.htm)

[CoreIssue]

I believe the science is there showing Adam and Eve were real as was Eden.

Bring Hugh Ross into the issue opens a can of worms, so to speak.

As an Old Earther I agree with Young Earthers Ross makes declarations that just don't hack it Biblically.

But then I also believe both science and the Bible make an older earth than Young Earthers believe beyond any realistic dispute.

Debating if this article should be moved to the Creation Forum. It is an article of interest but also makes declarations appropriate for that forum.

[Brandli5]

With the discovery of what scientists have aptly named Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve, new genetic and DNA evidence with the fossil record show very clearly that modern humans are not related to previously existing hominids as once believed.


How could this be? Unless having the flood changed the DNA of humans, What could have happend I guess is Only Noahs family was saved during the flood right? Well, would it not mean that there family had to multiply the earth. Meaning that family had to have children with family? Could that have been allowed???? ALso, doesnt having a child with a family member have differnt DNA Or Chromozones than that of a non related couples child??

Just asking. Do you think God would have allowed that for that time?? Hmm?? I do not know.

ANY one know the answer?

[CoreIssue]

Eve came from Adam. The children of Adam and Eve married each other and had children.

The grandchildren of Noah married each other as well.

Abraham married his sister. Isaac his cousin.

Before God gave Moses the Law of not marrying a third cousin or closer there was nothing sinful in this at all. And in the times of Adam and Noah there were not other ones to marry but brothers and sisters. Then cousins, brothers, and sisters.

How genetics differentiate themselves is Man started with one genetic structure. The it was tweaked to create woman, but otherwise was identical to Adam.

Over time chromosomes mutate. These mutations cause strong and weak traits. Then as the combine via reproduction with others the mix and combinantions get more complex.

At the time of Noah all his children were 50% him and 50% his wife but not identical. Their grandchildren were more diverse since each son had a wife introducing traits from their family lines.

But remember, their differences were not the wide spread since they lived so long and thus the genetic pool didn't have a chance to diversify extremely.

The grandchildren married but we see genetically they must have married within family heavily because each son shows their descendents divided pretty distinctly into the five races of Man.

Babel really speed up the diversification by causing their tribes to split and go separate was on the single land mass at that time.

Then the diversification was enhanced even more beginning at the time of Peleg when the land was divided into the continents.

Then tribes often isolated themselves from each other and even more distinctions developed.

Hope that helps.

[Jessie]

man degenerates although he thinks hes come a long way.

things were more perfect back then, then as time goes on its worsens.

look at how long they lived! now we are down to 70-120,
seems most I know live not much longer than their 70's.
although a few have gone into the 80's and 90's.

[Brandli5]

Okay,

Now I think I get it.

If we degenerate its only because of our sin goes with each generation and the morals shrink. (right??)

I can not understand how our chromosomes mutate and change man's mind, looks or whatever it changes. .... The bible tells us that we are made in God's image. So, does God change too?? I know we are flesh and that is just that... Flesh.

But I do not really think we mutate. Is it bibical we change?? I find it hard to think we mutate.

For one God created heaven and earth, and science keeps saying we mutated from Sea water, and then apes. I Know thats not true. So if science says over time we mutate how are we suppose to beileve that?? I just can't. IF we did then we would have to look at sciences threory on evelution, and It just is not going to happen for me.

I do think Drugs, and perscriptions might have something to do with Messing with peoples DNA, and bodies over time. Passing down bad side effects ect. But mutating No I do not take that to heart.

[CoreIssue]

Okay,

Now I think I get it.

If we degenerate its only because of our sin goes with each generation and the morals shrink. (right??)
Not the morals shrink. But our sins deteriorate of genetics. Each generation looses strength and purity. More imperfections enter in, thus more bad eyes, etc. and less capacity.
I can not understand how our chromosomes mutate and change man's mind, looks or whatever it changes. .... The bible tells us that we are made in God's image. So, does God change too?? I know we are flesh and that is just that... Flesh.
God does not change. Nor is he flesh.

And image does not mean how one looks, thinks or such. It means capacities and substance, such as an eternal spirit, freewill, judgement, reason and so on.
But I do not really think we mutate. Is it bibical we change?? I find it hard to think we mutate.
Adam and Eve were one flesh with one set of genetics. Now we have 5 Races with sub-races within each that are very different. The Pigmies store water in their butts, which is unique from the rest of humanity. And other distinctions.

How do you account for such stark differences?

Even before the Flood there were changes. Look at the Nephilim (giants). They developed again after the Flood. Goliath was a Nephilim from a nation of Nephilim.
For one God created heaven and earth, and science keeps saying we mutated from Sea water, and then apes. I Know thats not true. So if science says over time we mutate how are we suppose to beileve that?? I just can't. IF we did then we would have to look at sciences threory on evelution, and It just is not going to happen for me.

No, it does not require you to consider evolution. But yes, all you have to do is look at the world to see humanity is not homogenous.

There is a big difference between evolution, adaption and mutation. The genetic traits that vary so much around the world were not in Adam and Eve. They were pure genetically.
I do think Drugs, and perscriptions might have something to do with Messing with peoples DNA, and bodies over time. Passing down bad side effects ect. But mutating No I do not take that to heart.
Drugs messing with genetics causes mutations. As do environmental factors and so on.

But mutations are nothing new. They have existed since before the Flood.

[CTZonEdit]

DNA does mutate. Look at the increase in cancer, and other viruses over the past 100 years. Mutations allow for adaptation within a species. But not evolution of that species.

[Brandli5]

I understand all that. The races came about at the tower of babel, the people did not mutate. Also, cultures do differnt things, they have differnt relgions for one that makes people differnt for sure. ALso, the kinds of food, drugs, people comsume can change entire lines of family memebers. I just do not think other than outside forces that people's chromosones would change or mutate.

IF we lived in a sin free clean world we would still be the same I would imagine. We do it all to ourselves. Science just does not look at what we do to change, it just looks at the changes sometimes and sees changes.

I know God does not change, I do think image does mean what he looks like, meaning "Jesus" he came in human form. I know he had two of everything like man today, so I do think image does mean what it says. Although, I am sure God himself looks larger, and more pretty than anyone on this entire earth, I bet he does have some kind of phyical form ?????


Also, This statment I put here bothers me. In a way it is talking like Hitler did back in ww2.

"Not the morals shrink. But our sins deteriorate of genetics. Each generation looses strength and purity. More imperfections enter in, thus more bad eyes, etc. and less capacity."

I do not believe for one minute that our Genetics looses anything. Each and every person on this earth was created by God. He loves each and everyone of us. We each have the same chance at life as anyone. We just have stubborness that sometimes hinders us from using our brains, life as tools, ect. You see, I still believe in the bible 100%, and the bible tells me that we humans were put on earth for one purpose and that is to spread the word about GOD. Jesus was here for the same purpose, plus the addtion of our sins.
I do not think that we get worse, for one, EVEN the first human on this earth sinned. God see's sin as sin, none more, none less than others.
Its just that

Our morals and vaules slip because the world gets more tolorante over sins. The more people on earth, the more we put up with in order to stop from fighting, and yelling. Its humans fault that we put up with all this mess. We let it go so far that if Christain try to stand up now, it will start a civil war. We just sit back, which is a shame. People do still try to do somethings but just not on the scale that we as christians know it should be done on.

If we are made differnt than the first humans on earth Jesus would have told us in his bible. He does tell us in the last days that man's sin in crease. That I know is true.

[CTZonEdit]

If Adam and Eve had obeyed Gods command not to eat the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil then they would have lived forever in their flesh.

But since they did not obey that "forever perfect flesh" was doomed as soon as they ate that fruit.

The consequence of the first human sin doomed the human flesh and the human spirit.

The consequence of that sin started the decay of the world as well.

All these factors combined contribute to the decay of the flesh, and man's health.

The gene pool is much different today than it was during the time before the flood or after. To believe it is the same goes against science and history.

Look at what happend to the natives when we arrived. The diseases that the colonists were immune to and had build in resistance to wiped out thousands of natives that had a more "pure" gene pool.

[CoreIssue]

I understand all that. The races came about at the tower of babel, the people did not mutate.
That is incorrect. The only thing that was changed at Babel was language.

God gave each distinct tribe or family group a different language. He did not change them physically or genetically.

The descendents of Ham, in example, migrated to what became Africa after the division of the land. They became black due to adaption.
Also, cultures do differnt things, they have differnt relgions for one that makes people differnt for sure. ALso, the kinds of food, drugs, people comsume can change entire lines of family memebers. I just do not think other than outside forces that people's chromosones would change or mutate.
Add in climate and environmental issues.

These things do cause adaption and mutations.

The impact of drugs on DNA does cause mutations.
IF we lived in a sin free clean world we would still be the same I would imagine. We do it all to ourselves.
Then it would not be clean and sin free world.

Agree we do some things to ourselves. But environment and climate cause changes that are not caused by us.
Science just does not look at what we do to change, it just looks at the changes sometimes and sees changes.
That really is not correct. They constantly study the impact of environment, climate, food, habits and such and their impacts on us.

Look at one kind of tree moth in England. It was white until soot darkened the trees making them easy targets for birds. The only ones that survived were the black winged mutations.

Still the same species, but no black.

As with pigments of humans where the sun is huge factor. Fair skinned without protection means extreme burning, blistering, skin cancer and other issues. Thus the heavily pigmented dark genetics survived.

But heavily pigmented was not the original, natural skin pigmentations. Mutations in the DNA that resulted in more pigments survived over the original.

Or cave salamanders. They are salamanders but they mutated to having no pigmentation and no eyes.

The list is extensive showing examples.
I know God does not change, I do think image does mean what he looks like, meaning "Jesus" he came in human form.
Nope. God is spirit. Jesus was the Second Person of the Trinity taking on human flesh. And the flesh he took on was Caucasian of the Semitic strain. Not the same as the First Adam at all.

And God is not male. Angels are not male or female. And so many other things that just deny this premise is true, even though many people believe it until they have to think it through competely.

God also created the Four Living Creatures. They do not look like us at all.

And when God created Satan, he did so with a form that described as being embedded with gems. Hardly human.

The Father on the Throne in Revelation hardly could be described as human like in appearance.

Nor God appearing as flame, dove, whirlwind and so on.

Image does not demand appearance.
I know he had two of everything like man today, so I do think image does mean what it says. Although, I am sure God himself looks larger, and more pretty than anyone on this entire earth, I bet he does have some kind of phyical form ?????
Two of everything? How do you know that?

And he most assuredly did not have two of everything, or even one of somethings, since God is not male in fact.

Physical form means flesh. God is spirit. So he does not have a physical form, unless you are agreeing with Mormons and some other cults on this issue.

Jesus is flesh and human. The flesh part of him is not divine.
Also, This statment I put here bothers me. In a way it is talking like Hitler did back in ww2.
"Not the morals shrink. But our sins deteriorate of genetics. Each generation looses strength and purity. More imperfections enter in, thus more bad eyes, etc. and less capacity."

I do not believe for one minute that our Genetics looses anything.
Then why do we not live to be 1,000 years old? Why did every generation immediately start having shorter life spans? Why do some families need glasses for every member? Why do some families genetically die in their 50s while others get to 100?

That is most assuredly genetic loss.
Each and every person on this earth was created by God.
Nope. God created Adam and Eve and gave them the power or procreation. God does not create beings with sin natures, as we are born with.
He loves each and everyone of us.
Yep. Which as nothing to do with genetics.
We each have the same chance at life as anyone.
Not true. Those born retarded, with brith defects and so on do not have the same options in life. Those who never leave innocence never are lost to the Lake for eternity, but also never have an opportunity to earn a reward.
We just have stubborness that sometimes hinders us from using our brains, life as tools, ect.
Tell that to one born retarded, one who died in child birth, one who was miscarriaged.

Your brush is way to broad.
You see, I still believe in the bible 100%, and the bible tells me that we humans were put on earth for one purpose and that is to spread the word about GOD. Jesus was here for the same purpose, plus the addtion of our sins.
Which has nothing to do with this issue.
I do not think that we get worse, for one, EVEN the first human on this earth sinned. God see's sin as sin, none more, none less than others.
Its just that

And yet before the Flood people lived for centuries. But by the time of Abraham 120 years old was ancient. And in the Millennial Kingdom people will again live for centuries.

We are told Christ will restore many things in the MK. Genetics is one of them, it appears.
Our morals and vaules slip because the world gets more tolorante over sins.
Agree. But yet life spans are increasing due to medicine and better conditions to live in.
The more people on earth, the more we put up with in order to stop from fighting, and yelling.
Agree. But again, this has nothing to do with genetic realities.
Its humans fault that we put up with all this mess. We let it go so far that if Christain try to stand up now, it will start a civil war. We just sit back, which is a shame. People do still try to do somethings but just not on the scale that we as christians know it should be done on.
There are far fewer true Christians now than in the past. And many Christians, as you say, are apostate and spiritually lazy.

If we are made differnt than the first humans on earth Jesus would have told us in his bible. He does tell us in the last days that man's sin in crease. That I know is true.
Agree on the sins in the last day.

But no where does it ever say we are created individually by God. God does not create being with sin nature.

We are proceations of Adam. Thus we share his sin nature. And hence we are shadows of what Adam was physically and mentally.

[CoreIssue]

The consequence of that sin started the decay of the world as well.
Most excellent point!

Everything in the world ages, rusts, rots, decays, dies, gets weaker and so on.

Man is no different.

[Jessie]

not only do we lose physically more thru time, but we have lost much knowledge as well.
Adam walked with God. can you imagine what he knew???? that we dont
even have a clue about.

[Jessie]

for me the word image is not a physical apperence I think it pertains to
other more important things. perhaps body soul and spirit.

ability to think. looks means little. I wonder what the greek or hebrew of
"image" is? I think we have lost something in that translation to our words today.