Miraculous Powers

[CoreIssue]

1 Corinthians 12
10to another miraculous powers,


Strong's Number: 1411 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=1411&version=kjv) Original WordWord Originduvnamißfrom (1410 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1410&version=kjv))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1411&version=kjv#Legend) EntryDunamis2:284,186Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechdoo'-nam-is http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=1411g) Noun Feminine Definition
strength power, ability
inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
power for performing miracles
moral power and excellence of soul
the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
power and resources arising from numbers
power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts


Strong's Number: 1755 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=1755&version=kjv) Original WordWord Originejnevrghmafrom (1754 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1754&version=kjv))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1755&version=kjv#Legend) EntryEnergema2:652,251Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechen-erg'-ay-mah http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=1755g) Noun Neuter Definition
thing wrought
effect operation

The mystery gift.

I believe it mainly means those with the ability to cause things to happen or come about that seem impossible. Not meaning miracle miracles but pulling things together ot work that seemed impossilbe to do so.

And yes, I do believe in the lesser meaning it can include miracle miracles.

What do you think?

[eahaddix]

Your analysis appears to be correct. In 1 Corinthians 12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012;&version=31;), Paul distinguishes between the gift of healing (1 Corinthians 12:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012:9;&version=31;)) and miraculous powers (1 Corinthians 12:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012:10;&version=31;)). Consequently, force-fitting this spiritual gift into stereotypical miracle working is illogical, at best.

1 Corinthians 12:10 [NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012:10;&version=31;)]
to another miraculous (http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1755) powers (http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1411),

energema {en-erg'-ay-mah} (Strong's #1755)
an effect:--operation, working. [Strong's Greek Dictionary (http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STRGRK17.htm#S1755)]

dunamis (Strong's #1411)
force (literally or figuratively); specially, miraculous power (usually by implication, a miracle itself):--ability, abundance, meaning, might(-ily, -y, -y deed), (worker of) miracle(-s), power, strength, violence, mighty (wonderful) work. [Strong's Greek Dictionary (http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STRGRK14.htm#S1411)]

The Greek text describes a general power to achieve effect, without specifying a limited ends. And, as you pointed out, the semantics of this description imply the ability to influence environment, while possibly including other semantical implications. If this description is correct, then such power requires great spiritual maturity, otherwise this power could backfire severely.

Now, I must pose an honest question: How does one know when one possesses this spiritual gift? Where is the line between "self-fulfilling prophecy" and miraculous powers?

[CoreIssue]

Now, I must pose an honest question: How does one know when one possesses this spiritual gift? Where is the line between "self-fulfilling prophecy" and miraculous powers?
Excellent question.

My general position is that such gifts are either very obvious to others or self without having to try to do them to test them.

If one must try then the gift is not there.

But, interestingly, as well, if such is the norm for a person then they wil not see anything miraculous in what they do.

Being good at something does not make it this gift.

So best to just flow with the idea such gifts exist, don't worry if you have it or not and keep on doing what one does.

I believe some things are revealed not to give us labels for what we do, but to assure us there are such gifts from God. And even more often they are stated for the sake of those seeing others exercise such gifts and not the gifted one.

[BereanGal]

I've never told anyone this, only my husband knows - but I was told 2 years ago that I had the gift of healing and miracles. I never understood what that was, but I've even had dreams in which people get hurt and I lay my hands on them and pray to Jesus, sometimes I wake up at that point, a few times the people were healed and then I woke up.

As far as miracles, I do believe in God's miraculous power, but in this day of signs and wonders with many being decieved, one has to really have discernment and knowledge of the Word to know if it's of God, or of the enemy. Whether I really have that gift of miracles, I don't know. I trust God that He'll let me know.

Has anyone here ever seen a miracle?

[cbressler1976]

I am soooo careful...because when I was a teenager/early 20's (been a battle for me) I was able to read tarot cards and automatic handwriting...etc...my friend's father and other friends used to beg me to tell them their future....I didn't realize how evil it was...I mean I knew it was against God...but I really didn't know...if I wanted to, I could tell someone of future events in their lives....but I do not...because I know mine comes from the devil...my mom used to have me reading her tarot card every night!! ...that was after my dad died....I knew she had a bf...and that was why she had me read it every night...but mine is from the devil...I know this because of how I found out about it...I also used to have dreams about the end of the world and spirits....evil spirits though....I had a dream about me driving in my car and rocks were falling from the sky...and the rock looked like they were on fire....all the cars were stopped...people were screaming and running...i think that this dream was one that God was trying to tell me to get my act together...that the end of the world was coming..and if i didn't repent and turn back to Jesus...that I wouldn't be going to heaven...it's very hard for me to stay away from this type of stuff because it is so tempting...I want to know what is going to happen in the next year....but I have to forget it....while yours I know...is probably from God...mine I know is from hell...the closer I get to God...it seems...the more these evil spirits harrass me....we lived in these apartments for a couple of months before we moved to Pembroke Pines...and one night I told my husband that I was afraid because I could feel evil spirits...well, my husband told me the next day that there were Haitans doing their ceremonies....he saw them in their white clothes.....I watched someone the other day who said don't fight with the devil...he said to always flee...so the best thing I can do for myself is to stay away from this kind of stuff....you know what I find strange too? that my friends believed in my tarot reading etc...but they won't believe in God...

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Put on the full armor of God. The devil is a defeated foe. There's an excellent study in that.

[CoreIssue]

I've never told anyone this, only my husband knows - but I was told 2 years ago that I had the gift of healing and miracles. I never understood what that was, but I've even had dreams in which people get hurt and I lay my hands on them and pray to Jesus, sometimes I wake up at that point, a few times the people were healed and then I woke up.

As far as miracles, I do believe in God's miraculous power, but in this day of signs and wonders with many being decieved, one has to really have discernment and knowledge of the Word to know if it's of God, or of the enemy. Whether I really have that gift of miracles, I don't know. I trust God that He'll let me know.

Has anyone here ever seen a miracle?
Yes. I have.

I was healed of an uncurable lung condition after I prayed.

But, your dreams and being told you can heal doesn't fly with the Bible.

It does fly with New Age stuff though, so be careful.

The term healing and miracles is a Pentecostal one. Not encouraging.

Yes, I believe in gifts, yes I have seen them in action.

But no, they don't come from someone telling you that you have it and then it working.

[cbressler1976]

Put on the full armor of God. The devil is a defeated foe. There's an excellent study in that.
Thanks!!... I need to always remember this...

[cbressler1976]

I've never told anyone this, only my husband knows - but I was told 2 years ago that I had the gift of healing and miracles. I never understood what that was, but I've even had dreams in which people get hurt and I lay my hands on them and pray to Jesus, sometimes I wake up at that point, a few times the people were healed and then I woke up.

As far as miracles, I do believe in God's miraculous power, but in this day of signs and wonders with many being decieved, one has to really have discernment and knowledge of the Word to know if it's of God, or of the enemy. Whether I really have that gift of miracles, I don't know. I trust God that He'll let me know.

Has anyone here ever seen a miracle?
Yes. I have.

I was healed of an uncurable lung condition after I prayed.

But, your dreams and being told you can heal doesn't fly with the Bible.

It does fly with New Age stuff though, so be careful.

The term healing and miracles is a Pentecostal one. Not encouraging.

Yes, I believe in gifts, yes I have seen them in action.

But no, they don't come from someone telling you that you have it and then it working.
I never thought of this......

[cbressler1976]

This new age thing is going to hurt a lot of people...it was very popular when I was in school..both high school and college...many people like it because it's a cult that is all about me...what I can do...how great I am....I was drawn into it....and it has close ties with the wiccans....i know how bad it was...I knew it was wrong...but I thought if I only did a couple of things that it wouldn't hurt....but those couple of things grew...and now looking back I can see how there is absolutely no happiness in it...

[InTheWind]

Would one consider that Jesus said He will put us trough no more than we can handle if we have faith a healing of our minds.
I could see that we are healed everyday of mental sorrows or depression by our faith. Does that sound reasonable without sounding like i`m getting too new age or anything?
Do all healing have to be physical, like body parts?

[a.baker]

ITW I believe thats a big one. Because we know God He will let us rest our burdens on Him. Therefore if someone is suffering mentally from something like depression I believe He will take it away if you trust Him too. He won't leave that space empty He will fill it with something. But its something that needs continuous prayer I think. I believe if our faith is strong He will heal. But heal what, thats up to Him. It doesn't sound appealing, but suffering is part of His perfect plan. If we had no sufferings than we might drift from Him. We build faith partly from suffering. Hey everyone interesting stories. I have never seen a miracle myself.

[InTheWind]

Most here have heard this but i`ll tell it again for those that haven`t because it was a miracle.
When my mother was dying from cancer i was in such sorrow i couldn`t be there for her because i would break down in tears.
I was at home and i sat down and Prayed too God asking Him too remove the sorrow so i could be there for mom, immediately after i prayed the sorrow was lifted from me and so was the urge too smoke.
Now i smoked cigs since i was 12 and had tried quiting more than a few times without success. I had no thoughts of quiting at the time, the urge was just gone.
Too this day six years later i have not had any urge too smoke a cig.
At the time it happened i could not understand why God did that but then it came too me that it was a small miracle too show me that God was there with me too help get me through the worse time of my life. Too this day if things get real bad i remember that day and how real and caring God is.
I think a good part of the reason i get so mad at myself now when i`m depressed is because of my lack of faith in God when i need him after He showed this fool that He is always there.

[kay-gee]

Me either! Not something to get on.
all the best...

[kay-gee]

The types of things of which ITW speaks. Now, I have experienced many of those! Of the type of miracles Jesus performed...Never.
all the best...

[Jessie]

Most here have heard this but i`ll tell it again for those that haven`t because it was a miracle.
When my mother was dying from cancer i was in such sorrow i couldn`t be there for her because i would break down in tears.
I was at home and i sat down and Prayed too God asking Him too remove the sorrow so i could be there for mom, immediately after i prayed the sorrow was lifted from me and so was the urge too smoke.
Now i smoked cigs since i was 12 and had tried quiting more than a few times without success. I had no thoughts of quiting at the time, the urge was just gone.
Too this day six years later i have not had any urge too smoke a cig.
At the time it happened i could not understand why God did that but then it came too me that it was a small miracle too show me that God was there with me too help get me through the worse time of my life. Too this day if things get real bad i remember that day and how real and caring God is.
I think a good part of the reason i get so mad at myself now when i`m depressed is because of my lack of faith in God when i need him after He showed this fool that He is always there.

I will remember what you prayed. I too will need it in the future.:nod:
sometimes my emotions get the best of me and then I'm of no use.

I think we feel things just so deep sometimes it stops us in our tracks but it sure can be a pain, cause then we again cant be there for others like we need to be.:hug:

[InTheWind]

The types of things of which ITW speaks. Now, I have experienced many of those! Of the type of miracles Jesus performed...Never.
all the best...

Why wouldn`t a healing of a addiction be just as miraculous as a healing of a disease or other ailment?
I think there is a reason people don`t take healing of addictions seriously , i don`t think people believe unless they see actual evidence of a healing.
If people are waiting to see a physical healing before they believe in them they might be very disappointed.

[CoreIssue]

Healing an addiction would be a healing, to me.

[Jessie]

yep:nod:

[InTheWind]

Just that i`ve heard so many people say, if i could just see a miracle healing i would believe. But when someone says they are healed of a addiction or depression ect.... they don`t believe it was from God because it was told by a person and they don`t believe it.
Most reactions i get when i tell people about God taking smoking from me is that it was just because i was under such stress or you would of quit anyway after you seen your mother die from throat cancer. :(

[kay-gee]

ITW, I'm with ya a hunred and ten. I threw away the cigs also, and all at once lost the desire. Same for marijuana. I totally believe. But I still maintain, I have never seen someone raise a dead person to life or any of those kind of miracles!
all the best...

[InTheWind]

But I still maintain, I have never seen someone raise a dead person to life or any of those kind of miracles!
all the best...


Nor do i think you ever will, by God anyway, maybe Benny H or some other wacko but i don`t see God making a habit of miricles like that nowdays.
How does that verse go, how much greater your faith is that hasn`t seen than the deciples who saw Jesus, something along those lines.

[CoreIssue]

The vast majority of miracles come because of faith. Be they spectacular or not.

Ever change course for absolutely no reason then realize if you hadn't something serious would have happened?

[a.baker]

ITW I believe the healing of addiction. I am also a case of this. I think we all have the need to look for something and to consume like an addiction. So many don't get addicted to God they get addicted to other things. God took my addiction away and replaced my addiction of things with the addiction of Him. I am hooked on Him and desire Him and need Him to survive every day. Its much different than an addiction of man. This is the only addiction that will bring fulfillment and peace and joy to any human. Many that don't believe just don't understand until they are there. I know many say; you would of quit anyways. Thats frustrating for me because no I wouldn't of, I wouldn't been able to get out of that hole unless it was Him doing it for me.

[kay-gee]

Profound a.baker....profound.
all te best...

[InTheWind]

ITW I believe the healing of addiction. I am also a case of this. I think we all have the need to look for something and to consume like an addiction. So many don't get addicted to God they get addicted to other things. God took my addiction away and replaced my addiction of things with the addiction of Him. I am hooked on Him and desire Him and need Him to survive every day. Its much different than an addiction of man. This is the only addiction that will bring fulfillment and peace and joy to any human. Many that don't believe just don't understand until they are there. I know many say; you would of quit anyways. Thats frustrating for me because no I wouldn't of, I wouldn't been able to get out of that hole unless it was Him doing it for me.

And is proof positive that a person is truly born again, thirst for the word and thinking of God 24-7:yowza:

[a.baker]

Yes ITW I know exactly what you say, it is proof we are born again. Lets see before, I tried to quit smoking over 12 times. I used the plastic cigarette, quit smoking prescription pill, patches, gum, lozenges, exercise, other items and even the cold turkey technique. I quit many times but always started back up again. I was a very bad case. I was smoking like every 15 minutes. The urge was always there even when I quit for 5 mths once. Until God took it away from me and permanently and changed my desires I was stuck. I couldn't quit or lose the desire to start again until He did it for me. It still took a lot on my part but it happened very quickly. My problem before is that I was looking to quit smoking guides to help me. I never looked to God to guide me. Once I did I quit, it was gone and to this day never returned. I know for a fact I would be smoking right now if I never asked God to do this for me. What more can I say? God is awesome! We cannot do anything without Him.

[a.baker]

Wanted to add something. People will say "But I quit smoking without God ". So what we say is "Yes but see how it has been replaced with something else thats negative"? Good example is food. Food is a big reason why people gain weight from quiting smoking.

[kay-gee]

Sometimes can't help it. Food tastes so good when all that tar wears off your taste buds. It is true I quit smoking and drugs by just laying it on the Lord. He removed the desire for it and made it easier to get through those intial times of great cravings that are a part of smoking cessation!
all the best...

[a.baker]

I was thinking about people that gain like 40 -80 pounds in 5mths of quiting smoking. They are still addicted to the act of bringing something to their mouths. Its like they exchanged one thing for another without completely getting rid of it all together. Only with God can we succeed in these things that have a hold on us so we may break through. He always replaces the space with something good and fulfilling. That is why we don't go looking for something else. Its one of the many many ways God brings peace to us. People can't cope without God so they look for a replacement of the missing cigarette and for example will use food. Its like they cannot relax.

[InTheWind]

Quiting must change your metabolism because i gained 45 lbs and didn`t eat much different from before. :scratch:

[kay-gee]

Oh boy! That's a fair bit. I gotta a fair spare tire for my size. I think it may from this past year of complete laziness!

[a.baker]

It could change your metabolism. It is something that is in your whole system so I am sure it has an effect some what. Every body is different too with the way it works and distributes. Genetics always play a role too.

[tjking]

ITW I believe thats a big one. Because we know God He will let us rest our burdens on Him. Therefore if someone is suffering mentally from something like depression I believe He will take it away if you trust Him too. He won't leave that space empty He will fill it with something. But its something that needs continuous prayer I think. I believe if our faith is strong He will heal. But heal what, thats up to Him. It doesn't sound appealing, but suffering is part of His perfect plan. If we had no sufferings than we might drift from Him. We build faith partly from suffering. Hey everyone interesting stories. I have never seen a miracle myself.
depression is a spirit . and is not faith when depresed find something to praise GOD FOR depressed says poor o me faith says i blessed praise the lord isa 61; 3 the garment of praise for the spirit heaviness depression is a feeling that there no hope.. so lust so anger the bible says bring ever thought in to the obedience of chirst. there is power in this. Isa 53;5 jesus die for our healing. its GOD will we be healed. all good things come FROM GOD. GOD PERFECT PLAN WAS IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN NO DEATH . LIVE FOR EVER. NO SUFFERINGS. JESUS CAME THAT WE COULD HAVE LIFE AND MORE ABUNDLY.. THERE POWER IN WHAT WE LET OUR OURSELF THINK AND SPEAK. IF OUR THINKING AND SPEAKING LINE UP WITH THE WORD. THERE POWER IN THAT.GOD WILL NOT LIE IF THE WORD SAYS IT HE DO IT. FAITH IS WHAT MOVES GOD.AND HE WILL STAND WITH HIS WORD.

[a.baker]

Now with depression being a dark spirit it could be sometimes and other times not be. Being depressed does not always mean you lose hope. I have been depressed and had hope so I know how it can still be, to be depressed and have hope. Good example with my friend who just had a miscarriage, she is depressed but has she lost hope? Nope not by any means; she is a woman of strong faith in any circumstance. With suffering, yes we have sufferings and yes suffering is good. Is it something we want to endure in? No but it is good. I never doubted God's Word. If so, point it out by detail not a whole.

[CoreIssue]

In the OT great men of God were depressed about those around them.

Never an issue of faith in God, always about issues in disobedience to God.

[tjking]

Now with depression being a dark spirit it could be sometimes and other times not be. Being depressed does not always mean you lose hope. I have been depressed and had hope so I know how it can still be, to be depressed and have hope. Good example with my friend who just had a miscarriage, she is depressed but has she lost hope? Nope not by any means; she is a woman of strong faith in any circumstance. With suffering, yes we have sufferings and yes suffering is good. Is it something we want to endure in? No but it is good. I never doubted God's Word. If so, point it out by detail not a whole.
yes we go these feeling form time. if someone dies we are sad that ok. but i was was depressed for ten years or so. to the point i would have soon been dead than alive. i had to re place them feeling and thought with GOD word. when i done that it change things around me. we should speak GODS word over our life ever day. and find thing to be thakfull for .i not saying you doubt GODS word if it souned like that i want to say iam so sorry. i dont think GOD wants us to suffer . jesus die that we can have life and have it more abundly.GOD takes even the bad thing that happen to and trun them to our good. and again i want to say i am sorry . ii just trying to get my point of veiw out

[a.baker]

tjking no worries. I could of come off wrong myself and I as well apologize! No I don't think God wants us to suffer but I do think He allows some suffering to happen. Suffering can strengthen our faith or bring someone to God. Suffering can also teach us a lesson about ourselves and help us to see something we might of not seen unless we suffered. Suffering is not always explained either though. God is mysterious. And God being mysterious is a good thing too. If we knew all I don't think we could handle it. There are some things we are just not meant to know. But I do think we are talking about the same thing just wording it different.

[InTheWind]

Now with depression being a dark spirit it could be sometimes and other times not be. Being depressed does not always mean you lose hope. I have been depressed and had hope so I know how it can still be, to be depressed and have hope. Good example with my friend who just had a miscarriage, she is depressed but has she lost hope? Nope not by any means; she is a woman of strong faith in any circumstance. With suffering, yes we have sufferings and yes suffering is good. Is it something we want to endure in? No but it is good. I never doubted God's Word. If so, point it out by detail not a whole.
yes we go these feeling form time. if someone dies we are sad that ok. but i was was depressed for ten years or so. to the point i would have soon been dead than alive. i had to re place them feeling and thought with GOD word. when i done that it change things around me. we should speak GODS word over our life ever day. and find thing to be thakfull for .i not saying you doubt GODS word if it souned like that i want to say iam so sorry. i dont think GOD wants us to suffer . jesus die that we can have life and have it more abundly.GOD takes even the bad thing that happen to and trun them to our good. and again i want to say i am sorry . ii just trying to get my point of veiw out

I agree we should stay wound up about God and look for positive things too think about, we are leaky vessels and need too refill with the word daily.
But i also sense a bit of word of faith in your replies, not everyone is going too be healed on this earth now.
One can not use the Holy Spirit too get everything they want, if that were true now there would be no sickness or death around us.
Not saying that`s what you believe but there`s a fine line that can easily be crossed on this topic.

[Jessie]

Now with depression being a dark spirit it could be sometimes and other times not be. Being depressed does not always mean you lose hope. I have been depressed and had hope so I know how it can still be, to be depressed and have hope. Good example with my friend who just had a miscarriage, she is depressed but has she lost hope? Nope not by any means; she is a woman of strong faith in any circumstance. With suffering, yes we have sufferings and yes suffering is good. Is it something we want to endure in? No but it is good. I never doubted God's Word. If so, point it out by detail not a whole.
yes we go these feeling form time. if someone dies we are sad that ok. but i was was depressed for ten years or so. to the point i would have soon been dead than alive. i had to re place them feeling and thought with GOD word. when i done that it change things around me. we should speak GODS word over our life ever day. and find thing to be thakfull for .i not saying you doubt GODS word if it souned like that i want to say iam so sorry. i dont think GOD wants us to suffer . jesus die that we can have life and have it more abundly.GOD takes even the bad thing that happen to and trun them to our good. and again i want to say i am sorry . ii just trying to get my point of veiw out

I agree we should stay wound up about God and look for positive things too think about, we are leaky vessels and need too refill with the word daily.
But i also sense a bit of word of faith in your replies, not everyone is going too be healed on this earth now.
One can not use the Holy Spirit too get everything they want, if that were true now there would be no sickness or death around us.
Not saying that`s what you believe but there`s a fine line that can easily be crossed on this topic.

:nod:

I too had been extremely depressed for yrs.

I had see thru the lies people had told me that I had believed.
and had to start rebuking demons constantly it seemed. dont need to now.
as I did now I can really tell when I get emotionally attacked from them and when its just
sorrowful becuase of the sin in the world.

[tjking]

tjking no worries. I could of come off wrong myself and I as well apologize! No I don't think God wants us to suffer but I do think He allows some suffering to happen. Suffering can strengthen our faith or bring someone to God. Suffering can also teach us a lesson about ourselves and help us to see something we might of not seen unless we suffered. Suffering is not always explained either though. God is mysterious. And God being mysterious is a good thing too. If we knew all I don't think we could handle it. There are some things we are just not meant to know. But I do think we are talking about the same thing just wording it different. I AM GLAD I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED. I AGREE WE DO GO THROUGH SOME SUFFERING; YES AND GOD DOUN'T ALLWAYS TELL US WHY. :nod: AND GOD BLESS:tiphat:

[tjking]

Now with depression being a dark spirit it could be sometimes and other times not be. Being depressed does not always mean you lose hope. I have been depressed and had hope so I know how it can still be, to be depressed and have hope. Good example with my friend who just had a miscarriage, she is depressed but has she lost hope? Nope not by any means; she is a woman of strong faith in any circumstance. With suffering, yes we have sufferings and yes suffering is good. Is it something we want to endure in? No but it is good. I never doubted God's Word. If so, point it out by detail not a whole.
yes we go these feeling form time. if someone dies we are sad that ok. but i was was depressed for ten years or so. to the point i would have soon been dead than alive. i had to re place them feeling and thought with GOD word. when i done that it change things around me. we should speak GODS word over our life ever day. and find thing to be thakfull for .i not saying you doubt GODS word if it souned like that i want to say iam so sorry. i dont think GOD wants us to suffer . jesus die that we can have life and have it more abundly.GOD takes even the bad thing that happen to and trun them to our good. and again i want to say i am sorry . ii just trying to get my point of veiw out

I agree we should stay wound up about God and look for positive things too think about, we are leaky vessels and need too refill with the word daily.
But i also sense a bit of word of faith in your replies, not everyone is going too be healed on this earth now.
One can not use the Holy Spirit too get everything they want, if that were true now there would be no sickness or death around us.
Not saying that`s what you believe but there`s a fine line that can easily be crossed on this topic.
YOU LOST ME ARE YOU SAYING I SHOULD NOT HAVE FAITH

[kay-gee]

God has the ability to whatever He desires to do. He may even suspend physical laws from time to time. But at times of His choosing only. I doubt that people are given the power to do this in the real world. The idea of being surrounded by protective angels all the time and that is foolishness also. If that were the case, then Christians would never be in accidents or catch diseases or suffer the loss of children etc...These are things that have been whipped up by the holy rollers over the last century or so and have proven popular with the itching ear crowd!
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

God has the ability to whatever He desires to do. He may even suspend physical laws from time to time. But at times of His choosing only. I doubt that people are given the power to do this in the real world. The idea of being surrounded by protective angels all the time and that is foolishness also. If that were the case, then Christians would never be in accidents or catch diseases or suffer the loss of children etc...These are things that have been whipped up by the holy rollers over the last century or so and have proven popular with the itching ear crowd!
all the best...
I agree on time suspension but not on guardian angels.

Why foolish? Unless you are limiting this to the Pentecostal and such view, which I agree cannot be justified Biblically.

The Bible does say we have them and that demons never stop working, as well.

[InTheWind]

Now with depression being a dark spirit it could be sometimes and other times not be. Being depressed does not always mean you lose hope. I have been depressed and had hope so I know how it can still be, to be depressed and have hope. Good example with my friend who just had a miscarriage, she is depressed but has she lost hope? Nope not by any means; she is a woman of strong faith in any circumstance. With suffering, yes we have sufferings and yes suffering is good. Is it something we want to endure in? No but it is good. I never doubted God's Word. If so, point it out by detail not a whole.
yes we go these feeling form time. if someone dies we are sad that ok. but i was was depressed for ten years or so. to the point i would have soon been dead than alive. i had to re place them feeling and thought with GOD word. when i done that it change things around me. we should speak GODS word over our life ever day. and find thing to be thakfull for .i not saying you doubt GODS word if it souned like that i want to say iam so sorry. i dont think GOD wants us to suffer . jesus die that we can have life and have it more abundly.GOD takes even the bad thing that happen to and trun them to our good. and again i want to say i am sorry . ii just trying to get my point of veiw out

I agree we should stay wound up about God and look for positive things too think about, we are leaky vessels and need too refill with the word daily.
But i also sense a bit of word of faith in your replies, not everyone is going too be healed on this earth now.
One can not use the Holy Spirit too get everything they want, if that were true now there would be no sickness or death around us.
Not saying that`s what you believe but there`s a fine line that can easily be crossed on this topic.
YOU LOST ME ARE YOU SAYING I SHOULD NOT HAVE FAITH

Not at all, i`m saying that people shouldn`t expect too get everything they ask for by faith, many have been disapointed.
Word of Faithers teach that you get anything you want be using faith. :(

[kay-gee]

Exactly!
all the best...

[tjking]

Now with depression being a dark spirit it could be sometimes and other times not be. Being depressed does not always mean you lose hope. I have been depressed and had hope so I know how it can still be, to be depressed and have hope. Good example with my friend who just had a miscarriage, she is depressed but has she lost hope? Nope not by any means; she is a woman of strong faith in any circumstance. With suffering, yes we have sufferings and yes suffering is good. Is it something we want to endure in? No but it is good. I never doubted God's Word. If so, point it out by detail not a whole.
yes we go these feeling form time. if someone dies we are sad that ok. but i was was depressed for ten years or so. to the point i would have soon been dead than alive. i had to re place them feeling and thought with GOD word. when i done that it change things around me. we should speak GODS word over our life ever day. and find thing to be thakfull for .i not saying you doubt GODS word if it souned like that i want to say iam so sorry. i dont think GOD wants us to suffer . jesus die that we can have life and have it more abundly.GOD takes even the bad thing that happen to and trun them to our good. and again i want to say i am sorry . ii just trying to get my point of veiw out

I agree we should stay wound up about God and look for positive things too think about, we are leaky vessels and need too refill with the word daily.
But i also sense a bit of word of faith in your replies, not everyone is going too be healed on this earth now.
One can not use the Holy Spirit too get everything they want, if that were true now there would be no sickness or death around us.
Not saying that`s what you believe but there`s a fine line that can easily be crossed on this topic.
YOU LOST ME ARE YOU SAYING I SHOULD NOT HAVE FAITH

Not at all, i`m saying that people shouldn`t expect too get everything they ask for by faith, many have been disapointed.
Word of Faithers teach that you get anything you want be using faith. :(
i know one thing if you dont expect to get what you pray for you want get it . no we dont get ever thing we ask for. he told me no more times than one . if we pray for some one its GOD that heals. even jesus could not do mircles were peoples did not believe or expect .i got go now . but thier is power in this word of GOD. if we please GOD we got to walk in faith

[CoreIssue]

Now with depression being a dark spirit it could be sometimes and other times not be. Being depressed does not always mean you lose hope. I have been depressed and had hope so I know how it can still be, to be depressed and have hope. Good example with my friend who just had a miscarriage, she is depressed but has she lost hope? Nope not by any means; she is a woman of strong faith in any circumstance. With suffering, yes we have sufferings and yes suffering is good. Is it something we want to endure in? No but it is good. I never doubted God's Word. If so, point it out by detail not a whole.
yes we go these feeling form time. if someone dies we are sad that ok. but i was was depressed for ten years or so. to the point i would have soon been dead than alive. i had to re place them feeling and thought with GOD word. when i done that it change things around me. we should speak GODS word over our life ever day. and find thing to be thakfull for .i not saying you doubt GODS word if it souned like that i want to say iam so sorry. i dont think GOD wants us to suffer . jesus die that we can have life and have it more abundly.GOD takes even the bad thing that happen to and trun them to our good. and again i want to say i am sorry . ii just trying to get my point of veiw out

I agree we should stay wound up about God and look for positive things too think about, we are leaky vessels and need too refill with the word daily.
But i also sense a bit of word of faith in your replies, not everyone is going too be healed on this earth now.
One can not use the Holy Spirit too get everything they want, if that were true now there would be no sickness or death around us.
Not saying that`s what you believe but there`s a fine line that can easily be crossed on this topic.
YOU LOST ME ARE YOU SAYING I SHOULD NOT HAVE FAITH

Not at all, i`m saying that people shouldn`t expect too get everything they ask for by faith, many have been disapointed.
Word of Faithers teach that you get anything you want be using faith. :(
i know one thing if you dont expect to get what you pray for you want get it . no we dont get ever thing we ask for. he told me no more times than one . if we pray for some one its GOD that heals. even jesus could not do mircles were peoples did not believe or expect .i got go now . but thier is power in this word of GOD. if we please GOD we got to walk in faith
That isn't really true.

If you had said you expect to get it understanding it has to be within God's will I would have agreed.

This expect to get required is a Pentecostal/Charismatic thing.

Paul asked continually for his eyes to be healed, never happened.

I have prayed to be healed and got a big one granted, but others, nope.

No. There is no power in the words we speak. There is power in the person who who speak them about.

Don't make the WoF error of transfering the power from God to his words.

[kay-gee]

I've met in my lifetime folks who were not even Christian. Living in sin and everything else, who claim to have these angels around them looking out. I ask myself, how exactly does that work!
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

I've met in my lifetime folks who were not even Christian. Living in sin and everything else, who claim to have these angels around them looking out. I ask myself, how exactly does that work!
all the best...
Demonic deception.

Demons and angels are very active in the world. A ton of them.

[Jessie]

and they will act like angels of light....
big deception till they get you trapped and then pull out all the stops on ya

[tjking]

God has the ability to whatever He desires to do. He may even suspend physical laws from time to time. But at times of His choosing only. I doubt that people are given the power to do this in the real world. The idea of being surrounded by protective angels all the time and that is foolishness also. If that were the case, then Christians would never be in accidents or catch diseases or suffer the loss of children etc...These are things that have been whipped up by the holy rollers over the last century or so and have proven popular with the itching ear crowd!
all the best...
I agree on time suspension but not on guardian angels.

Why foolish? Unless you are limiting this to the Pentecostal and such view, which I agree cannot be justified Biblically.

The Bible does say we have them and that demons never stop working, as well.
i not geting this form people hebrews 1;13 -14 talk aboutangle being minister spirit for them who shall be heirs of salvation. i believe we are herirs to salvation thsts good angles. there also bad angles that work for the other side. prov says life and death is in the power of the toungue prov 18;21 jas3;3-4 romans 10 6-9 this is how things work get the word in your mind then in your then speak. we got to be in the word cause the word is the will of GOD. look in heb 11; 1-40 and see some of people did in faith some even die in faith cause it was not in GOD timeing.praying and fasting and speaking the word there is power in that if he in us and we in him if his word be in us. hope this help in some way we can pray EPH 1;16-19 OVER OUR LIFE EVER DAY AND GOD WILL OPEN UP OUR UNDERSTANDING. HERE GOS WHAT YOU ALL THINK?

[tjking]

God has the ability to whatever He desires to do. He may even suspend physical laws from time to time. But at times of His choosing only. I doubt that people are given the power to do this in the real world. The idea of being surrounded by protective angels all the time and that is foolishness also. If that were the case, then Christians would never be in accidents or catch diseases or suffer the loss of children etc...These are things that have been whipped up by the holy rollers over the last century or so and have proven popular with the itching ear crowd!
all the best...
I agree on time suspension but not on guardian angels.

Why foolish? Unless you are limiting this to the Pentecostal and such view, which I agree cannot be justified Biblically.

The Bible does say we have them and that demons never stop working, as well.
i not geting this form people hebrews 1;13 -14 talk aboutangle being minister spirit for them who shall be heirs of salvation. i believe we are herirs to salvation thsts good angles. there also bad angles that work for the other side. prov says life and death is in the power of the toungue prov 18;21 jas3;3-4 romans 10 6-9 this is how things work get the word in your mind then in your then speak. we got to be in the word cause the word is the will of GOD. look in heb 11; 1-40 and see some of people did in faith some even die in faith cause it was not in GOD timeing.praying and fasting and speaking the word there is power in that if he in us and we in him if his word be in us. hope this help in some way we can pray EPH 1;16-19 OVER OUR LIFE EVER DAY AND GOD WILL OPEN UP OUR UNDERSTANDING. HERE GOS WHAT YOU ALL THINK?
TRUST IN GOD HE NOT LET YOU DOWN. EVER ONE ON HERE THINK I WRONG?

[CoreIssue]

It depends on what you call God being with you.

Pentecostals think with enough faith you can even stomp on Satan. Absurd.

God promises us healing, prosperity and everything good. But the key is he does not promise it will be received in this earthly life.

Fasting isn't preached in the NT. Yea, Catholics added a phrase to the Bible about it because they practiced it.

Life is complex. There are angels, demons, the Holy Spirit, the Body of Christ, us and more that all weigh in the balance.

God will not violate his Plan, even if it means saints suffer unjustly. He promises to reward us in Eternity for suffering such injustice.

Not a simple issue.

Faith means a ton. The words of the Bible means a ton. But speaking words by faith does not guarantee a certain result no matter how much faith you have.

It has to be by God's will.

And that is where so many fail. They are not asking God for something. They are trying to order him to do it. Or think their words, by faith, have the power to make it happen by their will.

[tjking]

It depends on what you call God being with you.

Pentecostals think with enough faith you can even stomp on Satan. Absurd.

God promises us healing, prosperity and everything good. But the key is he does not promise it will be received in this earthly life.

Fasting isn't preached in the NT. Yea, Catholics added a phrase to the Bible about it because they practiced it.

Life is complex. There are angels, demons, the Holy Spirit, the Body of Christ, us and more that all weigh in the balance.

God will not violate his Plan, even if it means saints suffer unjustly. He promises to reward us in Eternity for suffering such injustice.

Not a simple issue.

Faith means a ton. The words of the Bible means a ton. But speaking words by faith does not guarantee a certain result no matter how much faith you have.

It has to be by God's will.

And that is where so many fail. They are not asking God for something. They are trying to order him to do it. Or think their words, by faith, have the power to make it happen by their will. fasting 1cor7;5 is this not in the new testment. if you pray one thing speak another it dont work/.there power in speaking GODSword your life.. GODS will is the word.. IF WE TRY TO SPEAK THING THATS NOT THE WORD. THAT NOT GODS WILL. GOD SAIS TO REMIND OF HIS WORD

[eahaddix]

there power in speaking GODSword your life..

Careful, tjking, do not make spiritual power an idol.

Who is "God"? Lord Yehoshua. Seek him and his will personally, not abstract powers.

[tjking]

i just saying that their power in speaking and doing his word.. if i ask GOD to do somthing if he dont do it he still GOD. sometimes he will let know why sometimes not. i like to brag on GOD IN WHAT HES DONE FOR ME.NOT CAUSE ITS ME CAUSE HE DO IT FOR OTHERS. TO ME PRAYING AND FASTING AN DOING WHAT HIS WORD SAYS TO DO. TURNING FORM SIN. IS SEEKING HIM.THE BIBLE SAIDS TO HAVE FAITH AND TO BELEVIE YOU GET THE THINGS YOU PRAY FOR.

[CoreIssue]

i just saying that their power in speaking and doing his word.. if i ask GOD to do somthing if he dont do it he still GOD. sometimes he will let know why sometimes not. i like to brag on GOD IN WHAT HES DONE FOR ME.NOT CAUSE ITS ME CAUSE HE DO IT FOR OTHERS. TO ME PRAYING AND FASTING AN DOING WHAT HIS WORD SAYS TO DO. TURNING FORM SIN. IS SEEKING HIM.THE BIBLE SAIDS TO HAVE FAITH AND TO BELEVIE YOU GET THE THINGS YOU PRAY FOR.
PLEASE stop with the all caps. Really.

Plus fasting is not a NT principle.

Question. When do you believe you get what you pray for? In this life, eternity or a mix of both?

And do you believe if you pray for something wrong you still get it? Just wanting some clarification.

[tjking]

i just saying that their power in speaking and doing his word.. if i ask GOD to do somthing if he dont do it he still GOD. sometimes he will let know why sometimes not. i like to brag on GOD IN WHAT HES DONE FOR ME.NOT CAUSE ITS ME CAUSE HE DO IT FOR OTHERS. TO ME PRAYING AND FASTING AN DOING WHAT HIS WORD SAYS TO DO. TURNING FORM SIN. IS SEEKING HIM.THE BIBLE SAIDS TO HAVE FAITH AND TO BELEVIE YOU GET THE THINGS YOU PRAY FOR.
PLEASE stop with the all caps. Really.

Plus fasting is not a NT principle.

Question. When do you believe you get what you pray for? In this life, eternity or a mix of both?

And do you believe if you pray for something wrong you still get it? Just wanting some clarification.PROMIES OF GOD. THE WORD SOME PROMIES IS IF WE DO THIS HE DO THAT..MOST ALL OF THEM.LIKE IF WE FOR GIVE HE FOR GIVE US. SOME PROMIES GOD SAYS ID THIS BUT DONT SAY YOU DO THIS OR THATAND I WILL DO IT. SOME THINGS HE NOT GOING TO DO. I LIKE THIS WOMAN ONCE I DATED. SHE WAS NOT A CHIRSTAIN..BUT I GIVE MY LIFE TO GOD AROUND THAT TIME. IT DID NOT WORK I ASK GOD TO GIVE HER ME AND HE TOLD ME NO. THIS WAS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO HERE. BUT I HAD TO GIVE UP MY WILL FOR HIS HE STOP US NO MATTER WHAT I TRYED WE DID NOT SEE EACH OTHER FOR MAYBE 15 YEARS. I HAD 5 DREAMS ABOUT HER 5 MIGHTS ONE AFTER ANOTHER AND IN EACH ONE OF THEM IT WAS STILL NO. AND IN THE LAST ONE IT LIKE THE LORD SAYING IF YOU STILL WANT HER I GIVE HER YOU BUT IT NOT MY WILL.AFTER HAVING SUCH A DERAM I BACK AWAY FORM HER. IT WAS NOT GOD PLAN. PEOPLE HAVE WILLS GOD NOT GIVE YOU SOME ONE AGAINST THER WILL.... BUT AT THIS TIME MAYBE SHE WAS THINK ABOUT IT BUT IT WAS NOT HIS WILL.---HE AS NOW 10 YEARS LATTER NOW GIVE ME SOMEONE I WOULD TRADE FOR NO ONE SHE SUCH A GREAT PERSON, AND GOD TOLD ME YES AND I KNOW I AM IN HIS WILL.
SOME THING HE NOT GOING YO GIVE US. SOME TIMES HE NOT EVEN TELL US WHY; WE CAN DO NOTHING OUT SIDE HIM.. SOME THINGS WE GET HERE SOME THINGS THEIR ...SOMETHING NOT AT ALL. HE IS GOD WORKING EVER THINK TO OUR GOOD.THAT LOVE HIM. HE IS THE HEAD WE DO WHAT HE SAIDS. WE CANOT MAKE HIM DO ANY THING. HE WILL NOT LIE HE DO HIS WORD. ITS FUNNY HE TOLD ME TO PRAY FOR THIS PERSON ONCE THEY COULD NOT WALK.GOD TOLD ME TO GO PRAY FOR THEM. THEY GOT UP AND WALKED.AT THE SAME TIME I WAS PRAYING FOR A COLD OR SOMETHING IN MY LIFE.I DID NOT GET HEAL OF IT . IT ALL FOR HIS WILL AND GLORY.I DO THINK THERE POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD AND THERE POWER IN WHAT WE SPEAK I DO BELEIVE THERE ANGNLES OUT THERE WHEN WE SPEAK HIS WORD GO DO IT . GOOD ANGLES AND BAD. I DOD BELIVE WE HAVE POWER WHEN THE HOLY GHOST COMES UP ON US.. I THINK WE SHOULD PUT OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS WORD..WHEN THEIR NO WAY THINGS CAN HAPPEN HE CAN MAKE THEM HAPPEN. FAITH WILL MOVE GOD

[CoreIssue]

i just saying that their power in speaking and doing his word.. if i ask GOD to do somthing if he dont do it he still GOD. sometimes he will let know why sometimes not. i like to brag on GOD IN WHAT HES DONE FOR ME.NOT CAUSE ITS ME CAUSE HE DO IT FOR OTHERS. TO ME PRAYING AND FASTING AN DOING WHAT HIS WORD SAYS TO DO. TURNING FORM SIN. IS SEEKING HIM.THE BIBLE SAIDS TO HAVE FAITH AND TO BELEVIE YOU GET THE THINGS YOU PRAY FOR.
PLEASE stop with the all caps. Really.

Plus fasting is not a NT principle.

Question. When do you believe you get what you pray for? In this life, eternity or a mix of both?

And do you believe if you pray for something wrong you still get it? Just wanting some clarification.PROMIES OF GOD. THE WORD SOME PROMIES IS IF WE DO THIS HE DO THAT..MOST ALL OF THEM.LIKE IF WE FOR GIVE HE FOR GIVE US. SOME PROMIES GOD SAYS ID THIS BUT DONT SAY YOU DO THIS OR THATAND I WILL DO IT. SOME THINGS HE NOT GOING TO DO. I LIKE THIS WOMAN ONCE I DATED. SHE WAS NOT A CHIRSTAIN..BUT I GIVE MY LIFE TO GOD AROUND THAT TIME. IT DID NOT WORK I ASK GOD TO GIVE HER ME AND HE TOLD ME NO. THIS WAS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO HERE. BUT I HAD TO GIVE UP MY WILL FOR HIS HE STOP US NO MATTER WHAT I TRYED WE DID NOT SEE EACH OTHER FOR MAYBE 15 YEARS. I HAD 5 DREAMS ABOUT HER 5 MIGHTS ONE AFTER ANOTHER AND IN EACH ONE OF THEM IT WAS STILL NO. AND IN THE LAST ONE IT LIKE THE LORD SAYING IF YOU STILL WANT HER I GIVE HER YOU BUT IT NOT MY WILL.AFTER HAVING SUCH A DERAM I BACK AWAY FORM HER. IT WAS NOT GOD PLAN. PEOPLE HAVE WILLS GOD NOT GIVE YOU SOME ONE AGAINST THER WILL.... BUT AT THIS TIME MAYBE SHE WAS THINK ABOUT IT BUT IT WAS NOT HIS WILL.---HE AS NOW 10 YEARS LATTER NOW GIVE ME SOMEONE I WOULD TRADE FOR NO ONE SHE SUCH A GREAT PERSON, AND GOD TOLD ME YES AND I KNOW I AM IN HIS WILL.
SOME THING HE NOT GOING YO GIVE US. SOME TIMES HE NOT EVEN TELL US WHY; WE CAN DO NOTHING OUT SIDE HIM.. SOME THINGS WE GET HERE SOME THINGS THEIR ...SOMETHING NOT AT ALL. HE IS GOD WORKING EVER THINK TO OUR GOOD.THAT LOVE HIM. HE IS THE HEAD WE DO WHAT HE SAIDS. WE CANOT MAKE HIM DO ANY THING. HE WILL NOT LIE HE DO HIS WORD. ITS FUNNY HE TOLD ME TO PRAY FOR THIS PERSON ONCE THEY COULD NOT WALK.GOD TOLD ME TO GO PRAY FOR THEM. THEY GOT UP AND WALKED.AT THE SAME TIME I WAS PRAYING FOR A COLD OR SOMETHING IN MY LIFE.I DID NOT GET HEAL OF IT . IT ALL FOR HIS WILL AND GLORY.I DO THINK THERE POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD AND THERE POWER IN WHAT WE SPEAK I DO BELEIVE THERE ANGNLES OUT THERE WHEN WE SPEAK HIS WORD GO DO IT . GOOD ANGLES AND BAD. I DOD BELIVE WE HAVE POWER WHEN THE HOLY GHOST COMES UP ON US.. I THINK WE SHOULD PUT OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS WORD..WHEN THEIR NO WAY THINGS CAN HAPPEN HE CAN MAKE THEM HAPPEN. FAITH WILL MOVE GOD
Well, I see some residue, at least, of Pentecostalism here.

The Holy Spirit does not come upon saints, he is in saints.

Yes, we need faith, truly.

No, demons are not bad angels. Per Jude they are chained in caves of darkness until judgement day. They are not walking around free. Demons are something else.

You didn't answer one part of my question, though. Do you believe that God grants all our prayers in this earthly, in eternity or a combination of both, exclusing wrong prayers?

And do you believe God only answers prayers done in faith? Never answers a prayer by a lost person that could result in their salvation, in example?

And PLEASE stop shouting or I will have to start copying your posts, sending them to you in a PM to reformat and deleting the post. There is no reason for all caps. None.

Take your keyboard off of Caps Lock.

[tjking]

i just saying that their power in speaking and doing his word.. if i ask GOD to do somthing if he dont do it he still GOD. sometimes he will let know why sometimes not. i like to brag on GOD IN WHAT HES DONE FOR ME.NOT CAUSE ITS ME CAUSE HE DO IT FOR OTHERS. TO ME PRAYING AND FASTING AN DOING WHAT HIS WORD SAYS TO DO. TURNING FORM SIN. IS SEEKING HIM.THE BIBLE SAIDS TO HAVE FAITH AND TO BELEVIE YOU GET THE THINGS YOU PRAY FOR.
PLEASE stop with the all caps. Really.

Plus fasting is not a NT principle.

Question. When do you believe you get what you pray for? In this life, eternity or a mix of both?

And do you believe if you pray for something wrong you still get it? Just wanting some clarification.PROMIES OF GOD. THE WORD SOME PROMIES IS IF WE DO THIS HE DO THAT..MOST ALL OF THEM.LIKE IF WE FOR GIVE HE FOR GIVE US. SOME PROMIES GOD SAYS ID THIS BUT DONT SAY YOU DO THIS OR THATAND I WILL DO IT. SOME THINGS HE NOT GOING TO DO. I LIKE THIS WOMAN ONCE I DATED. SHE WAS NOT A CHIRSTAIN..BUT I GIVE MY LIFE TO GOD AROUND THAT TIME. IT DID NOT WORK I ASK GOD TO GIVE HER ME AND HE TOLD ME NO. THIS WAS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO HERE. BUT I HAD TO GIVE UP MY WILL FOR HIS HE STOP US NO MATTER WHAT I TRYED WE DID NOT SEE EACH OTHER FOR MAYBE 15 YEARS. I HAD 5 DREAMS ABOUT HER 5 MIGHTS ONE AFTER ANOTHER AND IN EACH ONE OF THEM IT WAS STILL NO. AND IN THE LAST ONE IT LIKE THE LORD SAYING IF YOU STILL WANT HER I GIVE HER YOU BUT IT NOT MY WILL.AFTER HAVING SUCH A DERAM I BACK AWAY FORM HER. IT WAS NOT GOD PLAN. PEOPLE HAVE WILLS GOD NOT GIVE YOU SOME ONE AGAINST THER WILL.... BUT AT THIS TIME MAYBE SHE WAS THINK ABOUT IT BUT IT WAS NOT HIS WILL.---HE AS NOW 10 YEARS LATTER NOW GIVE ME SOMEONE I WOULD TRADE FOR NO ONE SHE SUCH A GREAT PERSON, AND GOD TOLD ME YES AND I KNOW I AM IN HIS WILL.
SOME THING HE NOT GOING YO GIVE US. SOME TIMES HE NOT EVEN TELL US WHY; WE CAN DO NOTHING OUT SIDE HIM.. SOME THINGS WE GET HERE SOME THINGS THEIR ...SOMETHING NOT AT ALL. HE IS GOD WORKING EVER THINK TO OUR GOOD.THAT LOVE HIM. HE IS THE HEAD WE DO WHAT HE SAIDS. WE CANOT MAKE HIM DO ANY THING. HE WILL NOT LIE HE DO HIS WORD. ITS FUNNY HE TOLD ME TO PRAY FOR THIS PERSON ONCE THEY COULD NOT WALK.GOD TOLD ME TO GO PRAY FOR THEM. THEY GOT UP AND WALKED.AT THE SAME TIME I WAS PRAYING FOR A COLD OR SOMETHING IN MY LIFE.I DID NOT GET HEAL OF IT . IT ALL FOR HIS WILL AND GLORY.I DO THINK THERE POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD AND THERE POWER IN WHAT WE SPEAK I DO BELEIVE THERE ANGNLES OUT THERE WHEN WE SPEAK HIS WORD GO DO IT . GOOD ANGLES AND BAD. I DOD BELIVE WE HAVE POWER WHEN THE HOLY GHOST COMES UP ON US.. I THINK WE SHOULD PUT OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS WORD..WHEN THEIR NO WAY THINGS CAN HAPPEN HE CAN MAKE THEM HAPPEN. FAITH WILL MOVE GODfasting is a new testment pricile that you give selves to fasting 1 cor 7;5 is this not the new testement what bible are you reading from. there is power in GODS word.THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH JESUS

[CoreIssue]

fasting is a new testment pricile that you give selves to fasting 1 cor 7;5 is this not the new testement what bible are you reading from. there is power in GODS word.THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH JESUS

5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
Where do you see fasting here?

Full context
1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor%207&version=31#fen-NIV-28473a)] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
Cannot happen unless both the husband and wife agree to it.

[tjking]

i just saying that their power in speaking and doing his word.. if i ask GOD to do somthing if he dont do it he still GOD. sometimes he will let know why sometimes not. i like to brag on GOD IN WHAT HES DONE FOR ME.NOT CAUSE ITS ME CAUSE HE DO IT FOR OTHERS. TO ME PRAYING AND FASTING AN DOING WHAT HIS WORD SAYS TO DO. TURNING FORM SIN. IS SEEKING HIM.THE BIBLE SAIDS TO HAVE FAITH AND TO BELEVIE YOU GET THE THINGS YOU PRAY FOR.
PLEASE stop with the all caps. Really.

Plus fasting is not a NT principle.

Question. When do you believe you get what you pray for? In this life, eternity or a mix of both?

And do you believe if you pray for something wrong you still get it? Just wanting some clarification.PROMIES OF GOD. THE WORD SOME PROMIES IS IF WE DO THIS HE DO THAT..MOST ALL OF THEM.LIKE IF WE FOR GIVE HE FOR GIVE US. SOME PROMIES GOD SAYS ID THIS BUT DONT SAY YOU DO THIS OR THATAND I WILL DO IT. SOME THINGS HE NOT GOING TO DO. I LIKE THIS WOMAN ONCE I DATED. SHE WAS NOT A CHIRSTAIN..BUT I GIVE MY LIFE TO GOD AROUND THAT TIME. IT DID NOT WORK I ASK GOD TO GIVE HER ME AND HE TOLD ME NO. THIS WAS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO HERE. BUT I HAD TO GIVE UP MY WILL FOR HIS HE STOP US NO MATTER WHAT I TRYED WE DID NOT SEE EACH OTHER FOR MAYBE 15 YEARS. I HAD 5 DREAMS ABOUT HER 5 MIGHTS ONE AFTER ANOTHER AND IN EACH ONE OF THEM IT WAS STILL NO. AND IN THE LAST ONE IT LIKE THE LORD SAYING IF YOU STILL WANT HER I GIVE HER YOU BUT IT NOT MY WILL.AFTER HAVING SUCH A DERAM I BACK AWAY FORM HER. IT WAS NOT GOD PLAN. PEOPLE HAVE WILLS GOD NOT GIVE YOU SOME ONE AGAINST THER WILL.... BUT AT THIS TIME MAYBE SHE WAS THINK ABOUT IT BUT IT WAS NOT HIS WILL.---HE AS NOW 10 YEARS LATTER NOW GIVE ME SOMEONE I WOULD TRADE FOR NO ONE SHE SUCH A GREAT PERSON, AND GOD TOLD ME YES AND I KNOW I AM IN HIS WILL.
SOME THING HE NOT GOING YO GIVE US. SOME TIMES HE NOT EVEN TELL US WHY; WE CAN DO NOTHING OUT SIDE HIM.. SOME THINGS WE GET HERE SOME THINGS THEIR ...SOMETHING NOT AT ALL. HE IS GOD WORKING EVER THINK TO OUR GOOD.THAT LOVE HIM. HE IS THE HEAD WE DO WHAT HE SAIDS. WE CANOT MAKE HIM DO ANY THING. HE WILL NOT LIE HE DO HIS WORD. ITS FUNNY HE TOLD ME TO PRAY FOR THIS PERSON ONCE THEY COULD NOT WALK.GOD TOLD ME TO GO PRAY FOR THEM. THEY GOT UP AND WALKED.AT THE SAME TIME I WAS PRAYING FOR A COLD OR SOMETHING IN MY LIFE.I DID NOT GET HEAL OF IT . IT ALL FOR HIS WILL AND GLORY.I DO THINK THERE POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD AND THERE POWER IN WHAT WE SPEAK I DO BELEIVE THERE ANGNLES OUT THERE WHEN WE SPEAK HIS WORD GO DO IT . GOOD ANGLES AND BAD. I DOD BELIVE WE HAVE POWER WHEN THE HOLY GHOST COMES UP ON US.. I THINK WE SHOULD PUT OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS WORD..WHEN THEIR NO WAY THINGS CAN HAPPEN HE CAN MAKE THEM HAPPEN. FAITH WILL MOVE GOD
Well, I see some residue, at least, of Pentecostalism here.

The Holy Spirit does not come upon saints, he is in saints.

Yes, we need faith, truly.

No, demons are not bad angels. Per Jude they are chained in caves of darkness until judgement day. They are not walking around free. Demons are something else.

You didn't answer one part of my question, though. Do you believe that God grants all our prayers in this earthly, in eternity or a combination of both, exclusing wrong prayers?

And do you believe God only answers prayers done in faith? Never answers a prayer by a lost person that could result in their salvation, in example?

And PLEASE stop shouting or I will have to start copying your posts, sending them to you in a PM to reformat and deleting the post. There is no reason for all caps. None.

Take your keyboard off of Caps Lock. i just now understand what you talk about caps lock my pastword on caps lock i did not think any thing about it i thought you talking about the little man with the hat. demons are fallen angles the way i understand it. the devil him slef is a fallen angle. some in chains some not. i might be wrong but some times i think he here siners. .yes i agree the holy spirit is in us .not all my prayers been answer i going say yet-- i say its a lot to do on what we are praying
dont get me wrong i like reading other bibles but i use jkv 1 cor 7;5 fasting and prayer. have you ever try e-sword it is free down load you can have 5 or six bibles 5 and 8 0r more dictionarys and a lot more with maybe 75 bibles to pick form strongs and all that. just type in e-sword check it out. i can email you the link if you like. you can look at many bibles and many dictionars at the same time. you can have study notes and form your study you can email the bible or what ever you type. i going check out the link you email me.

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i just now understand what you talk about caps lock my pastword on caps lock i did not think any thing about it i thought you talking about the little man with the hat.
Thanks! Kinda hard on the eyes. :(
demons are fallen angles the way i understand it. the devil him slef is a fallen angle. some in chains some not. i
That is an old doctrinal assumption without a shred of evidence, except for Satan, who is always treated separated from the other Fallen Angels.

Jude doesn't say some. No where in the Bible is a demon every called a fallen angel or the other way around.

Search the forum and the front page articles. There is material on angels, demons and the 4 Living Creatures you should find interesting.
might be wrong but some times i think he here siners.
He hears everyone. But he does not give what everyone wants.
.yes i agree the holy spirit is in us .
Yep. Falling on is OT.
not all my prayers been answer i going say yet-- i say its a lot to do on what we are praying
Agree. Somethings conflict with God's Plan and we have to wait until Eternity.
dont get me wrong i like reading other bibles but i use jkv 1 cor 7;5 fasting and prayer.
Problem is the Greek word is mistranslated. It doesn't mean fasting. The word for fasting doesn't exist in the Greek manuscript.

It is a doctrinal add, not a real translation.

have you ever try e-sword it is free down load you can have 5 or six bibles 5 and 8 0r more dictionarys and a lot more with maybe 75 bibles to pick form strongs and all that. just type in e-sword check it out. i can email you the link if you like. you can look at many bibles and many dictionars at the same time. you can have study notes and form your study you can email the bible or what ever you type. i going check out the link you email me.

I tried it and didn't like it, to be honest.

I use the Bibles and Interlinear links, mainly, you can see in the links bar at the top of the page.

Plus a lot of independent research from other sources.

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i just now understand what you talk about caps lock my pastword on caps lock i did not think any thing about it i thought you talking about the little man with the hat.
Thanks! Kinda hard on the eyes. :(
demons are fallen angles the way i understand it. the devil him slef is a fallen angle. some in chains some not. i
That is an old doctrinal assumption without a shred of evidence, except for Satan, who is always treated separated from the other Fallen Angels.

Jude doesn't say some. No where in the Bible is a demon every called a fallen angel or the other way around.

Search the forum and the front page articles. There is material on angels, demons and the 4 Living Creatures you should find interesting.
might be wrong but some times i think he here siners.
He hears everyone. But he does not give what everyone wants.
.yes i agree the holy spirit is in us .
Yep. Falling on is OT.
not all my prayers been answer i going say yet-- i say its a lot to do on what we are praying
Agree. Somethings conflict with God's Plan and we have to wait until Eternity.
dont get me wrong i like reading other bibles but i use jkv 1 cor 7;5 fasting and prayer.
Problem is the Greek word is mistranslated. It doesn't mean fasting. The word for fasting doesn't exist in the Greek manuscript.

It is a doctrinal add, not a real translation.

have you ever try e-sword it is free down load you can have 5 or six bibles 5 and 8 0r more dictionarys and a lot more with maybe 75 bibles to pick form strongs and all that. just type in e-sword check it out. i can email you the link if you like. you can look at many bibles and many dictionars at the same time. you can have study notes and form your study you can email the bible or what ever you type. i going check out the link you email me.

I tried it and didn't like it, to be honest.

I use the Bibles and Interlinear links, mainly, you can see in the links bar at the top of the page.

Plus a lot of independent research from other sources.i see we not going to agree on everthing. but i do think we agree on some things.. my hebrew and greek dictionars says fasting is asting form food. i got to say fasting is a new testment thing. all these things happen after jesus died acts 14;23 acts 27;33 1cor7-5 acts 10 ;30 acts 10; 22. think i yry to get it the link you sent me and see were you coming from. might not get back on here for day or to and spend a little time with wife and kids. thank for put up with me. :tiphat:

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i see we not going to agree on everthing.
No biggie on some things. For sure.
but i do think we agree on some things..
Yep.
my hebrew and greek dictionars says fasting is asting form food.
It is.
i got to say fasting is a new testment thing. all these things happen after jesus died acts 14;23
23Paul and Barnabas appointed elders[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%2014:23&version=31#fen-NIV-27426a)] for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.
Let me clarify. If one wants to do it fine. But it isn't a NT teaching.

In Acts there is the change, for the Jews, from Mosaic Law to Church. Paul and Barnabas were Jews.

No where in the NT is it taught to the Gentiles. Anywhere.

You will find several things the Apostles did, as Jews, that they refused to lay on the Gentiles.
acts 27;33
27On arriving there, they gathered the church together and reported all that God had done through them and how he had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles. 28And they stayed there a long time with the disciples.
Again, fasting is not there.

You have to be very careful when using the KJV. RCC had a huge impact on it. It was not a translation, as many wish to claim. It was a revision of prior Bible versions and used proof manuscripts created by the RCC 600 AD and after.
1cor7-5
Fasting isn't in the Greek text.
acts 10 ;30
Not in the Greek.
acts 10; 22.
Not in the Greek.
think i yry to get it the link you sent me and see were you coming from.
I am coming from the Greek, not the KJV mistranslation.

Use the Interlinear and go through the Greek of each verse. Fasting is not there in all but one of those verses.

might not get back on here for day or to and spend a little time with wife and kids. thank for put up with me. :tiphat:

Of course. Enjoy the family! :D

And we exist here to discuss and learn.

[gerald]

Hi Coreissue
You siad In Acts there is the change, for the Jews, from Mosaic Law to Church. Paul and Barnabas were Jews. I thought Paul was a Roman? Acts 23:27 This man was taken of the Jews, and should have been killed of them: then came I with an army, and rescued him, having understood that he was a Roman.

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Paul was a Jew but also a Roman citizen. Much like today, a Jewish person born in Canada, in example, would be a Jewish Canadian, and would be afforded the rights that Canadians have around the world. In those days well to do families could literally buy Roman citizenship. Saul (Paul) came from Tarsus and likely born of merchant class parents and perhaps where his Roman citizenship came from. Don't know for sure but scholars speculate this. Hope this helps.
all the best...

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Paul was a member of the Pharisees. A very bad doctrined and powerful group of Jews in Israel.