The 70th Week is upon Israel, not the Church. That means they are again the covenant people.
So how can some people see the Church coexisting with Israel, the Church replacing Israel and people being born-again during the Trib and MK when the stone Temple is back?
Sure cannot do it reading literally.
CI:
I read Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/031027771X/qid=1105314105/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/002-3148332-3270447%20newwindow) when it first came out in the early '70s. At the time I was heavily involved in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal and found that TLGPE made infinitely more sense than RCC's amillennialism and replacement theology.
I began to question that if RC theology was wrong here, where else?
Today there are approximately 100 million American church members who have very little to no understanding of Bible prophecy. These church members are from replacement theology churches [Roman Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans and Episcopalians] that don’t teach Bible prophecy and who look at prophetic scrip-tures as allegorical and not literal.
Consequently, they do not understand the importance of Israel to the God of Israel or God’s redemptive plan for Israel and the nations. (To Read The Error of Replacement Theology - By Clarence H. Wagner Jr. click here.) (http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1914)
These church members also have no understanding of the biblical significance of what is transpiring today in Israel, Russia, China, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey, and in other Middle East nations. They are also not aware of the significance of the formation of the European Union, new ID technologies and much more.
I have shared the biblical significance of our times with some of these people and almost all of them can’t process the information mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. And due to fear they do not want to hear more. They also have no point of reference in which to start if they had interest.
The good news is those who understand Bible prophecy are fully aware of the significance of Israel, God’s time clock, and are watching the times with great interest and expectancy.
Approximately 100 Million American (http://www.watch.org/showart.php3?idx=64261&rtn=/index.html&showsubj=1&mcat=1%20newwindow)I doubt few Christians who fellowship at replacement theology churches [Roman Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans and Episcopalians] understand what Replacement Theology is, and fewer still know that their churches' theology is strongly influenced by it.
onelove
10-30-2006, 02:57 AM
Why do you all continue to seperate the chuch from Israel,that is not sound doctrine nor is it biblical
1) The "Israel" of the New Testament is composed of the TRUE FOLLOWERS of Christ. It is NOT the literal Israel in Palestine.
2) There is no such thing as a "Jew" in the New Testament. The word is Judean and refers to those, of whatever nationality, who worship the God of heaven, most of whom in Bible times lived in the area of Judea.
3) The word "Gentiles" does NOT appear in the original Scriptures. It is a mistranslation of the word "Nations" meaning those who do not worship the God of heaven.
4) The modern word "Jew" is not a racial or ethnic designation. It refers to a culture or religion.
5) Jesus was (is) NOT a "Jew." Jesus is God! God is NOT Jewish!
6) The promise to Abraham, "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee" does NOT apply to the Jews! It applies to blessing or cursing the TRUE followers of Christ - the "seed of Abraham." (Rom 2:17-29, 9:8)
7) The majority, if not all of, the "Jews" in the world today are NOT semitic, nor can they trace their ancestry to Abraham. They are "Gentile" Khazars, so they have no right to the area of Palestine based on ANY Biblical promises!
8) There is NO such thing as a Jewish race, ONLY a Jewish culture - the culture of the Talmud.
9) Christianity does NOT have its roots in Judaism. Christianity was in Christ's time, and is today, the ANTITHESIS of Judaism!
1) In the Old Testament, a man named Jacob is given a SPIRITUAL name, "Israel."
2) The HEIRS of Israel (Jacob) are ALSO called "Israel." And the "heirs" of Israel along with others become the NATION of Israel.
3) The Nation of Israel is called several names by God, including
a) My son, My firstborn
b) a "vine"
c) a "servant"
d) the "seed of Abraham"
e) "My son" that God "brought out of Egypt."
4) In the New Testament, a Divine Man, Christ, is given a SPIRITUAL name, "Israel."
5) The "HEIRS" (Children - followers) of Christ are ALSO called "Israel."
6) Christ is called by God:
a) My Son
b) a "vine"
c) a "servant"
d) the "seed of Abraham"
e) "My Son: that God "brought out of Egypt."
Christ SUCCEEDS everywhere that Israel Failed.
Christ and His HEIRS (Children - followers) are NOW the SPIRITUAL Israel, REPLACING the literal Israel of the Old Testament!
To be a Christian is to be a follower of Christ period.
CoreIssue
10-30-2006, 01:19 PM
Why do you all continue to seperate the chuch from Israel,that is not sound doctrine nor is it biblical
1) The "Israel" of the New Testament is composed of the TRUE FOLLOWERS of Christ. It is NOT the literal Israel in Palestine.
Where is that said? Give the verses.
The genetic and Abrahamic importance of Jew and Gentile has not ceased. Even during the Church Age when Jew and Gentile, together, form Church. But Gentiles never become gentic Jews.
2) There is no such thing as a "Jew" in the New Testament. The word is Judean and refers to those, of whatever nationality, who worship the God of heaven, most of whom in Bible times lived in the area of Judea.
False. Judean and Jew are two distinct words.
Here is the word Jew in the Hebrew
Strong's Number: 3064 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/browse.cgi?number=03064&version=nas) Original WordWord Originydwhypatronymically from (03063 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=3063&version=nas))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03064&version=nas#Legend) EntryY@huwdiyTWOT - 850aPhonetic SpellingParts of Speechyeh-hoo-dee' http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3064h) Noun Masculine Definition
Jew
Here it is in the Greek
Strong's Number: 2453 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=2453&version=nas) Original WordWord Originioudaioßfrom (2448 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2448&version=nas)) (in the sense of (2455 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2455&version=nas)) as a country)Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2453&version=nas#Legend) EntryIoudaios3:356,372Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechee-oo-dah'-yos http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=2453g) Adjective Definition
Jewish, belonging to the Jewish nation
Jewish as respects to birth, origin, religion
It does not matter how the words are used today. What matters is what they meant and how they were used then.
3) The word "Gentiles" does NOT appear in the original Scriptures. It is a mistranslation of the word "Nations" meaning those who do not worship the God of heaven.
That is actually false.
It means peoples (a meaning of nations) that are not Jewish. Gentile is a convenient shorthand.
What you are trying to do is change the meaning of Israel and Jewish to mean anyone who believes in God.
That is false.
4) The modern word "Jew" is not a racial or ethnic designation. It refers to a culture or religion.
We do not go by modern usage in Bible study. We go by how it was used in the Bible.
There, it most assuredly meant genetic Jews. Jews who abandoned Judaism were still killed for being Jewish.
A little history lesson here.
5) Jesus was (is) NOT a "Jew." Jesus is God! God is NOT Jewish!
And a Jew. Born of Mary to the House of Judah, the Kingly line. The house and nation from which the term Jew arose.
6) The promise to Abraham, "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee" does NOT apply to the Jews! It applies to blessing or cursing the TRUE followers of Christ - the "seed of Abraham." (Rom 2:17-29, 9:8)
That is not the Land Covenant to Abraham. Which can only be fulfilled via his genetic offspring.
There were a number of covenants in the OT, of which the Mosaic was not unconditional, but conditional. That was to Israel and Israel broke it.
The Davidic Covenant is eternal, and is fulfilled in Christ.
The Land Covenant is to Abraham. And can ONLY be fulfilled via his genetic seed, not spiritual.
The Noahidic was to all Man.
And so on.
Israel must be restored to fulfill the Abrahamic Covenant. Genetic Israel. Descendents of Jacob through which God promised to fulfill Abraham.
7) The majority, if not all of, the "Jews" in the world today are NOT semitic, nor can they trace their ancestry to Abraham. They are "Gentile" Khazars, so they have no right to the area of Palestine based on ANY Biblical promises!
Oh, give me a break.
At the Second Coming Christ separates the true Jews from the Gentiles. Then assigns them to their true Tribes.
So, you don't need to worry about Tribal purity. Christ will take care of that.
And the will be legitimate descendents of the 12 sons of Jacob.
8) There is NO such thing as a Jewish race, ONLY a Jewish culture - the culture of the Talmud.
No one who knows anything has ever said the Jews were a race. They are the genetic lineage of the 12 sons of Jacob.
They are not a culture, which you are trying to argue to let you in as Israel.
Being a practicing Jews or Christian has nothing to do with being a genetic Jews. But being a Christian has everything to do with being a spiritual Jews, in todays times.
But in the Trib and MK, genetic is what matters as regards the covenant.
9) Christianity does NOT have its roots in Judaism. Christianity was in Christ's time, and is today, the ANTITHESIS of Judaism!
Hmmm. Judaism was extension of Pre-Israel true worship of God. Consolidated into and expanded upon. Church has grown out of true Judaism and expanded upon it.
The New Covenant will grow out of Church and OT Israel.
Each was different. None can claim to be the other. But all are of God and for God.
1) In the Old Testament, a man named Jacob is given a SPIRITUAL name, "Israel."
False. He was given a new name Israel. Not a spiritual one.
2) The HEIRS of Israel (Jacob) are ALSO called "Israel." And the "heirs" of Israel along with others become the NATION of Israel.
False. Israel is one of TWO heirs of God.
3) The Nation of Israel is called several names by God, including
a) My son, My firstborn
b) a "vine"
c) a "servant"
d) the "seed of Abraham"
e) "My son" that God "brought out of Egypt."
Take care here trying to extend names of Christ upon Israel.
4) In the New Testament, a Divine Man, Christ, is given a SPIRITUAL name, "Israel."
Verse please. Where is this ever said.
5) The "HEIRS" (Children - followers) of Christ are ALSO called "Israel."
Only half of them. The other half are called Church. One Body, two heirs, Israel and Church.
6) Christ is called by God:
a) My Son
b) a "vine"
c) a "servant"
d) the "seed of Abraham"
e) "My Son: that God "brought out of Egypt."
OK. Now give the verses to make your claimed link to being called Israel.
Christ SUCCEEDS everywhere that Israel Failed.
And where Church fails.
[QUOTE]Christ and His HEIRS (Children - followers) are NOW the SPIRITUAL Israel, REPLACING the literal Israel of the Old Testament!
Garbage. One Body, two heirs, Church and Israel.
The Abrahamic Covenant is fulfilled through genetic Israel. Israel will be restored. The stone Temple will be restored.
No where does it every say the Church replaced Israel.
Israel is the Wife of God. Church the Bride of Christ.
NJ is composed of Israel and Church.
Body of Christ is Israel and Church.
Clearly shows a distinction.
Living Israel is gathered to Jerusalem at the Second Coming. Not Gentiles.
Israel is seen by tribes and such in the Trib and MK. Does not apply to Gentiles.
Please do more than throw out claims. Give some verses to back them.
onelove
10-31-2006, 02:47 AM
Please stop the large bold text stuff. It is hard on the eyes annoying and does nothing to help your case.
CoreIssue
I reduced this and removed the Bold
WHO IS ISRAEL? HOW DO I FIT IN?
What we really need to know now is: WHO IS ISRAEL? And when will these things happen? Who is true Israel? This Question can, and has, filled several books. This is the most important truth we can discover. This truth can make the difference of who will live in the kingdom on earth during the one thousand year reign of YAHSHUA. The Bible states that confusion is not from YAHWEH and there is plenty of confusion when it comes to Gentiles, Jews and Israel. People have believed that if they are not Jews then they are Gentiles. Most people see two types of people in the Bible Jews and Gentiles. This is very far from the truth. In Genesis 10 the bible gives the genealogy of Noah's sons, in verses 2-5 it gives the genealogy of Japeth (Noah's son) Genesis 10:5 states: "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." So only the descendants of Japeth are actually gentiles. These words (Jew & Gentile) were even confused during translation of the Bible. Most people including Ministers, think that if you are not a Jew, you are a Gentile which I have already proven untrue. There are very many types of people on this earth. Most people also believe that all Israelites are Jews this is another mistake that causes the bible to be confusing. The first time the word "Jews" was used in the Bible is in 2 Kings 16:5-6 which states: "Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him. At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day." Now let me explain what was going on here. Pekah THE KING OF ISRAEL came up to Jerusalem to war with Ahaz THE KING OF JUDAH (2 Kings 16:1). To anyone not familiar with who Judah is let me explain that the people of Judah were later called JEWS. The Children of Israel were divided into many tribes with only one part of these tribes being called Judah (Jews). When Soloman, David's son, was king over Israel, Yahweh said that because of his transgressions he was going to take the kingdom from Soloman's son's hands and give the larger part to another king (Jeroboam)(I Kings 11:11-13). This he did (I Kings 12) and when Judah headed out to war with Israel in order to bring them back, YAHWEH said ".....return every man to his house; for this thing is from me." (1 Kings 12: 19-24). Therefore there were now two nations of YAHWEH's people. On one side there was Israel which in prophecy is called, Israel, Jacob, Ephraim, and SAMARIA and on the other side was Judea which are also known as the JEWS. In effect if you were a Israelite you could be of any of the tribes of Israel but only the tribe of Judah were called Jews. The Jews were a part of Israel as a whole though. But, you say, that still doesn't tell me who Israel is today. Let us continue. After King Solomon died and his son Rehoboam took the throne of Israel/Judah, about 930 B.C., the one kingdom of Israel/Judah was divided into two kingdoms. Israel in the north, containing the ten tribes, with Samaria as its capital and Jeroboam as it's king. Judah in the south, containing the tribe of Judah, one half of the tribe of Benjamin, and a few people from other tribes (I Kings 12:16-17) (Ezek. 37:16), with Jerusalem being it's capital and Rehoboam being it's king. Jeroboam, the new king of the now separated Israel, became frightened. He thought that if the people of Israel were to continue to go to Jerusalem, which was in Judah's territory, to worship YAHWEH, as they were required to do, they would soon kill him and return to live under the rulership of Judah. He therefore set up two golden calves, one in Bethel the other in Dan, and told Israel that these were their mighty ones and encouraged them to worship them (I Kings 12:28-33). This angered the true ELOHIM at Israel who cursed them and told them that because of this he would cause them to be taken from their homeland and that he would "...scatter them beyond the river..." (I Kings 14:15-16). Israel continued to worship false mighty ones and to anger the true ELOHIM. Other curses put upon Israel would include their loosing remembrance of who they are. They would no longer know they were Israel, but YAHWEH would know were they were (Hosea 2:17), (Hosea 5:3), (Romans 11:25). At about 700 B.C. the northern kingdom (Israel) was carried away, made to loose their identity and were not Known by the name of Israel again (II Kings 17:5-18). Therefore this proves that there is a larger portion of Israel who are not Jews, who are "lost" in the world, who do not know who they are. Even though Israel's history was no longer followed in the Bible, it continuously speaks of Israel in reference and in prophecy. This proves that all Israelites are not Jews.
Now the big question is "Where is Israel, to whom YAHWEH has returned?" We must continue with our story. After Israel had sinned, Judah sinned also and the anger of Yahweh was kindled greatly at them (Ezek. 16:46-52), (Jeremiah 3:8, 11), (2 Kings 23:27). YAHWEH allowed Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon to come in and destroy Jerusalem, take the king (Zedekiah) captive, put out his eyes, kill his sons, and place Zedekiah in prison until his death (Jer. 39:1-8) (Jer. 52:11). These actions seemed to put an end to the monarch lineage of king David. Judah was taken into bondage at about 600 B.C. and returned to Jerusalem about 70 years later at about 530 B.C., to rebuild the temple for the Messiah. Israel did not return with Judah at this time, but continued to be "lost". After Zedekiah's demise there has never been a son of David on the throne of Israel. This is an important point, because according to Yahweh's promises: "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." (Gen. 49:10). Also 2 Samuel 7:12-16 states "When thy days be fulfilled and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men. But my mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. And thy house and thy kingdom shall be established forever before thee: Thy throne shall be established forever."Also I Kings 8: 20-25 states:" YAHWEH hath performed his word that he spake; and I am risen up in the room of David my father, and sit on the throne of Israel, as YAHWEH promised, and have build an house for the name of YAHWEH ELOHIM of Israel.......There is no ELOHIM like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servant.....who hast kept with thy servant David my father that which thou has promisedst him; thou speakest also with thy mouth, and hast fulfilled it with thine hand, as it is this day. Therefore now, Yahweh of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father that thou promisedst him, saying: There shall not fail thee a man in my sight to sit on the throne of Israel." According to all of these references, YAHWEH promised that there would always be a seed of David on the throne over Israel "forever" or until "Shiloh come". Now the scripture in Gen. 49:10 states that the Sceptre shall not depart from Judah until Shiloh come, which is an obvious reference to the Messiah who will be on the earth two times. As we know he has been here once, and will come again soon for the thousand years of peace. This scripture along with Psalm 89 will show that somewhere in the world today, the throne of David exists and a seed of David sits on it. This shall take place until the Yahshua comes and sits on it himself. When the Bible references the coming of "Shiloh" it is talking about the second coming of the Messiah. It cannot be talking about the first coming because none of the prophesied events took place during the time of YAHSHUA. These events include the gathering together of Israel and Judah and the doing away of the sun and the moon (Rev. 21:23). Therefore during the days of Zedekiah there had to be a rulership, set up of people of the royal seed of David, ruling over the larger part of Israel that was "lost". After Zedekiah there were no more kings over Judea, not even at the time of YAHSHUA when Herod the Edomite was ruler. Edomites were the descendants of Esau and could not be a descendant of David.
Now the question is: "Where is this rulership?" Now lets turn to the book of Jeremiah which will unshadow some of this. In Jeremiah it is important to note exactly what his mission was to do. Look at Jeremiah 1:10: "See I have this day set you over the nations, and the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to BUILD, AND TO PLANT. " So Jeremiah was ordained to root something out and to pull it down, destroy it and throw it down. In effect he played a part in the rooting out, pulling down, destroying and throwing down of the old kingdom line and seed of David. It is important to note that he also was ordained to "Build and to Plant". Since the rooting out, pulling down, destroying, and throwing down had to do with the king of Israel and the seed of David, it stands to reason that the "Building and planting" should also have to do with the king of Israel and the seed of David. This becomes clearer when you note who was in Jeremiah's company when he went into Egypt. When he left Judah, Jeremiah 41:10 and Jeremiah 43:6 makes it clear that the KINGS DAUGHTERS, or the "SEED of DAVID" went with him. Jeremiah, his scribe Baruch, the kings daughters and a small group of Jews went to Egypt. ELOHIM had warned Johanan, their leader, through Jeremiah that if they went to Egypt, YAHWEH would bring destruction upon the group. Johanan didn't believe him (Jeremiah 42, 43 44), the group went to Egypt and all but a few were destroyed (Jeremiah 44:14). Among these few were JEREMIAH, his SCRIBE BARUCH, and the KINGS DAUGHTERS.
What happens to these people next is not outright followed in the Bible, so we must look to ancient history and to Biblical prophecy. In Jeremiah 15:11-14 ELOHIM tells the remnant that he will "make thee to pass with thine enemies into a land which thou knowest not." The answer to what happens next is in the book of Jeremiah and IN the "RIDDLE" not the "PARABLE", of Ezekiel 17th. Chapter. In Ezk. 17 there is a riddle put forth that speaks of an eagle taking the highest branches of a cedar tree and carrying them to a land of "traffick; he set it in a city of merchants." It mentions that he took also of the seed of the land. The eagle planted these things "by great waters, and set it as a willow tree". There was also another great eagle and "behold this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation".
Later in the chapter YAHWEH goes on to say he was taking the highest branch and replanting it and that it would grow. When it speaks of an eagle (Jeremiah) taking the highest branches of a cedar tree (the kings daughters) and carrying them to a land of "traffick" "in a city of merchants" ("a land which thou knowest not"). He took also of the seed of the land (Israel). The eagle planted these things "by great waters, and set it as a willow tree". There was another great eagle (the previously transplanted seed of Judah). This is speaking of the transplant of the kings daughters. As I pointed out before ELOHIM had promised the throne of Israel to the seed of David forever. When ELOHIM, through Jeremiah, transplanted the daughters of the king to a land that they did not know, there was waiting for them another branch of the tribe of Judah which had been previously transplanted. One of the daughters of Zedekiah married a member of this branch and they became the new rulers over Israel. This is what is meant when it says "behold this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation".
It is at this point we must go to history to complete the story. A lot of the next portion of our story is according to the book "Judah"s Sceptre and "Joseph"s" Birthright" written by J. H. Allen. This book traces the history and covers the subject in detail, with many proofs. You can get a copy by sending $9.00 to Destiny Publishers P.O.Box 177 Merrimac, Mass. 01860. Or we will loan you a copy, write to D.W. Arthur P.O.Box 191 Interlachen, Fl 32148-0191 Ph. 904 684 1452. Mr. Allen lived at the turn of the century and was in a position to do an in depth study of this subject. We are amazed at his knowledge but we do disagree with him on several points. These points do not decrease the importance of the truth that he did have. Mr. Allen was aware that he was on to one of the most important truths of our time. YAHWEH did not see fit, though to completely enlighten him at such an early date in time. We can only build on these truths.
Now on to the question of "Where is Israel?" According to this book on page 227 it states: "for it is a well-authenticated fact that Jeremiah went to Ireland, where he died, and that his grave is one of the well-known and proudly-named spots of that country, whose history is one of the mysteries of the world". This book also says on page 228 that after searching the records they came up with the following:
1.) About 585 B.C. a "notable man," and "important personage," a patriarch, a saint, an essentially important someone (Jeremiah the prophet), according to their various ways of putting it, came to Ulster, the most northern province of Ireland, accompanied by a princess, the daughter of an eastern king, and that in company with them was one Simon Brach, Breck, Brack, Barech, Berach, as it is differently spelled (Jeremiah's scribe's name was Baruch); and that this royal party brought with them many remarkable things. Among these was the harp, an ark and the wonderful stone called Liafail, or stone of destiny, (the stone is another subject of it's own). (The items in the parentheses are our input).
2.) This eastern princess was married to King Herremon on condition, made by this notable patriarch, that he should abandon his former religion (by now Israel was completely immersed in paganism and no longer remembered their true ELOHIM), and build a college for the prophets. This Herremon did, and the name of the school was Mur-Ollam, which is the name, both in Hebrew and Irish, for school of the prophets. He also changed the name of his capital city, Lothair - sometimes spelled Cothair Croffin - to that of Tara.
3.) The name of this Eastern princess is given as Tea-Tephi, and it is a well-known fact that the royal arms of Ireland is the harp of David, and has been for two thousand and five hundred years.
This book also states that Irish historians have called Tea-Tephi the "Daughter of Pharaoh" which is another way of saying "The King's Daughter" as it is said in the Bible.
Yes, we are saying that the lost tribes of Israel and the promised kings of Israel ended up in Ireland. "But." you say, "You said there should be a king over Israel forever. There is no king over Ireland now." Let us continue. Along with his prophecies of removing the crown from Zedekiah YAHWEH said: "Thus saith YAHWEH ELOHIM; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high. I will overturn, overturn, overturn it; and it shall be no more (moved or overturned) until he comes whose right it is; and I will give it him" (Ezek. 21:26-27). (Again the statements in the parentheses are ours meant only to enhance your understanding). The kingdom of Judah was overturned and we propose that the throne went to Ireland. According to history the kingdom of Ireland was overturned and the throne went to Scotland, and was again overturned and went to England. "and it shall be no more" (moved or overturned) "until he comes whose right it is;" (second coming of YAHSHUA) "and I will give it to him". So therefore there has been and always will be a king over Israel until "Shiloh come".
Now back to the question of: "Who is true Israel, and where are they today?" To get the answer, we have to go back in the Bible, to the time of Jacob. Jacob was the first true Israelite, as he was the one who had his name changed from Jacob to Israel by YAHWEH. In Genesis chapter 48 Joseph brings his two sons to his father, to be blessed. Manasseh in his left hand, toward Jacob's right hand, and Ephraim in his right hand, toward Jacob's left hand. but Jacob being a Prophet of Yahweh, crossed his hands, with his right hand on Ephraim's head, and his left hand on Manasseh's head, and blessed them. Joseph saw that his father had crossed his hands, and started to stop him but Jacob told him that he knew what he was doing. He also said that Manasseh would be a great people, but his younger brother would be greater then him, and his seed would some day be a multitude of Nations.
Now we have proposed that Israel who is also known as Ephraim or Manasseh was transplanted and ended up in England. Now we go on to propose where Ephraim went from there. According to Jacob Manasseh would become a great people, England has been a great people and until recent history they were the strongest upon the face of the earth. But Manasseh's little brother Ephraim branched out broke off and became the super power of the world, the United States of America. According to Jacob, Ephraim would become a multitude of nations. The word "nation" was used in this context but we propose that it may more clearly have been used as the word "state". According to Funk & Wagnalls Standard Desk Dictionary: "A nation is primarily the people under one government; a state is an independent nation. The words are often interchanged, but nation stresses political autonomy. We may speak of the many nations that made up the ancient Roman state." So therefore, you could say, in the last time, Ephraim would be a multitude of states, and you would get an understanding of who Ephraim (Israel) is today. Ezk. 37:16 " ... For Joseph the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions". Also in Genesis 49:22 it states: Joseph (Ephraim) is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well, whose branches run over the wall." That is a good description of the United States. Another good description of the United States and England is in Ezekiel 17:23: "In the mountain of height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell". Lets revisit the scripture of Ezekiel 37:16 which says in the midst of a end time prophecy: "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, for Joseph the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions". This scripture makes it plain, that in the last days Israel and Judah will be in two different places. It also implies that the largest amount of true Israel will be with Ephraim. Ephraim as we have shown is a group of states (nations) bound together.
Most people are familiar with the Bible stories, they heard in sunday school. We would like to call one to mind about Esau selling his Birthright to his brother Jacob. This birthright was passed on to the sons of Joseph, and not to Judah, (Jews) (I Chronicles 5: 1-2). the Blessing and the Birthright, both going to the sons of Joseph (England and the United States), and mainly to Ephraim, (The United States). This goes a long way in explaining the wealth, and blessings the United States has enjoyed since it's beginning. Another point is that the birthright included the land that the children of Esau lived on. Esau was called Edom, which means Red Man, Jacob never took his land until he came HERE.
So to recap this Chapter, I have given evidence of WHO IS and WHERE ARE the true tribes of Israel. Stop and think, what evidence has anyone given you that Anglo Saxons are Gentiles? Has it just been assumed? I have already shown you that the only true Gentiles were the descendants of Japeth. In Genesis 10 the bible gives the genealogy of Noah's sons, in verses 2-5 it gives the genealogy of Japeth (Noah's son) Genesis 10:5 states: "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." So only the descendants of Japeth are actually gentiles. The true GENTILES (decedents of Japheth) were prophesied to dwell in the tents of Shem (Gen 9:27). Shem being Noah's son who's descendants are the Israelites. The meaning to this prophecy is that the decedents of Japheth would be made spiritual Israelites and would someday inherit eternal life with them.
So, now you understand why I say that you can still be a chosen person of YAHWEH. That is why that even though the fullness of the time of the Gentile has been fulfilled, you can still be YAHWEH'S people. I again call to remembrance Romans 11:25: "......blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in." This is what is happening now, Israel is loosing it's blindness. YAHWEH is turning back to his people who he had caused to loose remembrance of who they were.
Read again Romans 11:26-29 which states: "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away wickedness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of Yahweh are without repentance." This makes it abundantly clear that in the last days YAHWEH is going to save ALL Israel. The tribes of Israel would be found with Ephraim, the Tribe of Joseph, and not with Judah, (the Jews). Ezekiel 37th. Chap. makes this truth u
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