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Money,
When you are paid a salary, that money represents the period of your life it took to earn it. You will never live that part of your life again. You will never earn that particular money again. Your salary represents a portion of your life, in the form of currency.
That is why your money is valued next to your life itself. It is your most treasured material possession. You instinctively guard it more than anything else, except your life.
(Luke 12:34 NIV)
For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
(Mal 3:10 NIV)
Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
InTheWind
03-05-2006, 01:31 PM
That is why your money is valued next to your life itself. It is your most treasured material possession. You instinctively guard it more than anything else, except your life.
Not me, sorry but i have to disagree, money is the source of most evil imo.
We never worry about money never have and God pours out His blessings on us. Sure we`re not rich and have health problems but it could be a lot worse. I give away most of what i make in my shop because bringing a smile to someones face is worth all the money in the world, and that`s God pouring out treasure to me.
Hope i didn`t mis understand you bro but that`s how i see it.:nod: :hug:
CoreIssue
03-05-2006, 02:14 PM
I am with ITW here.
Money,
When you are paid a salary, that money represents the period of your life it took to earn it. You will never live that part of your life again. You will never earn that particular money again. Your salary represents a portion of your life, in the form of currency.
That is why your money is valued next to your life itself. It is your most treasured material possession. You instinctively guard it more than anything else, except your life.
(Luke 12:34 NIV)
For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
32"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Not talking about treasuring money here.
(Mal 3:10 NIV)
Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.
"But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'
"In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit," says the LORD Almighty. 12 "Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land," says the LORD Almighty.
Not talking about giving to get. It is saying these people are robbing God in their personal greed for material things.
You get by serving God.
Matthew 6
23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness! 24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
1 Timothy 3
2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect.
1 Timothy 6
9People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. Paul's Charge to Timothy
11But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.
2 Timothy 3
1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
Hebrews 13
5Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said,
"Never will I leave you;
never will I forsake you."[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=65&chapter=13&verse=5&version=31&context=verse#fen-NIV-30231a)]
WoF and such preach a gospel of give and believe to get. It is false.
Our treasurers should be heavenly ones that cannot be lost. Not money that will be lost.
You guys seemed to miss the whole point.
InTheWind
03-05-2006, 03:14 PM
You guys seemed to miss the whole point.
Which was, i must of missed it. :scratch:
Ok, my apology. I had my wife read it and she didn’t get it either. So I’ll try to gather my thoughts and post a clarification.
CoreIssue
03-05-2006, 03:25 PM
You guys seemed to miss the whole point.
Which was, i must of missed it. :scratch:
I did too, then.
That is why your money is valued next to your life itself.
Maybe because this is not true for me?
Nope. Don't get it.
Your going to have to clarify.
CoreIssue
03-05-2006, 03:27 PM
Ok, my apology. I had my wife read it and she didn’t get it either. So I’ll try to gather my thoughts and post a clarification.
OK!:D
When someone gives money, or a gift to someone. What are they giving?
When you are paid a salary, that money represents the period of your life it took to earn it. You will never live that part of your life again. You will never earn that particular money again. Your salary represents a portion of your life, in the form of currency.
It is what is left of time in your life that is gone. That time is gone forever. Your money is all you have to show for it. That is why your money is valued next to your life itself. It is your most treasured material possession. You instinctively guard it more than anything else, except your life. Since it is what is left of that life you used up to gain this certain prize. This prize you worked for can now be used to enhance your life or the life of another. What it represents is valuable, precious, and beautiful so when you give your money to another you are giving more than a dollar bill. You are giving a certain amount of your very own life.
So when you give realize what you are giving and the value it represents. Christ spent his life for us. His life was valuable; He placed a great value on you. So much so that your life was worth more to him then his own.
Diana thought this part should be posted seperate.
(Luke 12:34 NIV)
For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
I didn’t mean for you who have your hearts in the right place to assume that I thought you didn’t. Many don’t. Many people have such a tight grip on their finances that they are trusting in their money and not trusting in God.
(Mal 3:10 NIV)
Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
The main reason for posting this is the part where God says “test me in this.” It shows to me how much God wants people to trust in him and not in their own riches. This is the only place in the Bible I have ever read where God makes such a statement. For someone to give up there own finances they have to be willing to trust in something or someone else.
Money is not evil. The love of money is the root of all evil. The Lord required the rich young ruler to sell all he had and come follow him, but he did not require the people who were following him and supporting him from there finances to give up all they had. It was a condition of the heart with the rich young ruler that Christ was dealing with. So for the rich young man Christ required him to give up what he was trusting in because only then could he give his heart to the Lord. That is what the Lord was after with the rich man and that is what the Lord was after from the people in Mal. 3:10. Their heart.
Our life is all we were born with and that is what the Lord wants from us.
(Luke 8:3 NIV) Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.
So here are people that he didn't tell them to sell all they had.
InTheWind
03-05-2006, 04:24 PM
I think i see where your coming from, a person that has earned money from their work and freely gives it to those that need it is pouring out blessings from God.
A part of yourself being represented by money is the gift, am i close.
I just don`t like the part about money being as important as life itself, but money can be used to help others for sure.
Brandli5
03-05-2006, 06:37 PM
I agree about paying tithes. We should pay them, God does reward us when we pay tithes. I know this for sure. Sometimes its hard to give tithes esp when you do not have much, but trust God when he tells you he will not let you down. He will not.
CoreIssue
03-05-2006, 06:45 PM
I agree giving what one earns and depending on God is what it is about. Yep.
But on the loving money next to life itself I am with ITW. Solidly.
I need money to live. It is good to not be living check to check. But love money? No.
As for tithing. There is no such thing as a tithe in the NT.
It is purely freewill giving, which makes it more meaningful.
No one should fall into the give/get thinking so popular out there today.
God will reward for what is earned. But don't count on it in this life time. Lay it up in Heaven for eternity.
It is so true many live for money. And still call themselves Christians. They are missing out on so much.
Brandli5
03-05-2006, 07:46 PM
Oh, I totally agree with you. I know also that God does provide here on earth, and if you pay your tithes sometimes he provides more than you need, not always for you but to give to others. SOmetimes he gives things more to others, but he has his reasons. I agree, the reward in heaven will so much more and great. That is the greatness of God. He is good.
I was trying to show the value of money because of what it represents. i.e. the amount of time in your life that it represents.
However I agree with core that giving should be a freewill offering. I also believe tithing as it has been taught by the majority of denominations has put the laity under bondage.
God never intended the tithe to be a weight the people could not bear. He meant for it to be done during a wonderful time of celebration, to be a blessing to the giver as well as the poor and the Levites (the priest).
Giving should always be a thing of beauty and bring joy to the giver as well as the recipient.
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