Administration

[CoreIssue]

I believe the definition sums it up.

Strong's Number: 1248 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=1248&version=kjv) Original WordWord Origindiakonivafrom (1249 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1249&version=kjv))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1248&version=kjv#Legend) EntryDiakonia2:87,152Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechdee-ak-on-ee'-ah http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=1248g) Noun Feminine Definition
service, ministering, esp. of those who execute the commands of others
of those who by the command of God proclaim and promote religion among men
of the office of Moses
of the office of the apostles and its administration
of the office of prophets, evangelists, elders etc.
the ministration of those who render to others the offices of Christian affection esp. those who help meet need by either collecting or distributing of charities
the office of the deacon in the church
the service of those who prepare and present food

[firstlove]

If we're discussing the "Spiritual Gifts"-administration isn't listed. There are 9 according to Paul and this one isn't on the list.

[CoreIssue]

If we're discussing the "Spiritual Gifts"-administration isn't listed. There are 9 according to Paul and this one isn't on the list.
Not ture.

1 Corinthians 12
28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

Romans 12
6We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%2012:6-8;&version=31;#fen-NIV-28237a)]faith. 7If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.
Goverment is administration.

Hope that helps.

[firstlove]

Not really, Paul specifically called the 9 gifts-"spiritual gifts"-because they are given by the Holy Spirit and cannot be human talents-like administration can be. He said, "now concerning "spiritual gifts" bretheren-I do not want you to be ignorant..."

[CoreIssue]

Not really, Paul specifically called the 9 gifts-"spiritual gifts"-because they are given by the Holy Spirit and cannot be human talents-like administration can be. He said, "now concerning "spiritual gifts" bretheren-I do not want you to be ignorant..."
You didn't read the verses I posted. It says administration/government is a gift.

Semantical spinning cannot change that reality.

Your argument falls apart when you consider the list of gifts given. If administration isn't a gift of the Holy Spirit, then neither are the others in the list.

And that would be saying Man can prophecy and heal, in example, of his own ability.

Cannot have it both ways.

[a.baker]

Since these are all gifts given to man what are the different gifts given to women? Is it just our natural motherly personalities that are expanded and put right with the Holy Spirit? :scratch:

[CoreIssue]

Since these are all gifts given to man what are the different gifts given to women? Is it just our natural motherly personalities that are expanded and put right with the Holy Spirit? :scratch:
There are many gifts shared by both men and women.

Don't ever think only men get them. Or only men get the more 'strange' ones.

[firstlove]

Sorry, but I don't agree, the Bible distinctly makes a difference between gifts that can be natural talent, and those given by the Spirit, as He wills. If you don't want to agree, then that's fine, I'll not bite your head off over it-but I see that the 9 gifts are the only ones called "Spiritual Gifts" by the writer of the NT.

Of course someone can have a gift of administration-but that just isn't a Spiritual gift--not saying it's not a "gift" just saying Paul doesn't include that type of gift in his listing on the gifts of the Spirit.

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:


So, if you want to honestly discuss "the Gifts of the Holy Spirit"-then there you have them. If you want to discuss the ministry gifts to the church, then we could do that too.

[CoreIssue]

And the verses I posted included prophecy and healing, in example, in the lists.

You neglect to deal with that fact.

Paul didn't say the list you gave included every gift. There are many.

[firstlove]

I didn't say that it DID include EVERY gift-I was speaking of "spiritual gifts"-but hey, if you don't want to agree-then have it your way.

[CoreIssue]

I didn't say that it DID include EVERY gift-I was speaking of "spiritual gifts"-but hey, if you don't want to agree-then have it your way.
I repeat, the verses I gave contained gifts you listed as well. Called them all gifts.

Now, respond directly to my questions. Stop dodging.

Are you claiming that people can have a natural ability to heal and prophecy? Yes or no?

Time to start following the board rules on not preaching and actually answering questions with proofs. Enough rhetorical answers.

Not trying to be nasty, here. But we get a parade of false doctrine on here. And they all do what you are doing right now. Meaning fall back into repeating doctrine and rhetoric.

Prove your claims! Grammar and context do not support this claim of spiritual verses natural demand. You are ASSUMING.

Are there natural abilities of prophecying and healing? Yes or no?

[firstlove]

No-but those two gifts are listed with the other 7 I mentioned. Why are you getting so angry over a phrase? The phrase is "spiritual gifts". That phrase is only mentioned once in scripture--and it isn't mentioned with 'administration".

[CoreIssue]

No-but those two gifts are listed with the other 7 I mentioned. Why are you getting so angry over a phrase? The phrase is "spiritual gifts". That phrase is only mentioned once in scripture--and it isn't mentioned with 'administration".
No anger.

Just pointing out your grammatical and other errors are really pretty bad.

1 Cor 12 and Romans 12 are conjunctive statements, meaning they all share the same value.

You are ASSUMING a distinction exists here. And that 'spiritual' gifts are limited to 9.

Being mentioned once means nothing, here.

Gift means what is given that is not natural. So, you cannot call what is natural to a person a gift. It is natural to them.

You are violating word meaning, grammar, context and semantics.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

He's not angry, he's just debating. :D