I have a Question

[Chrystalwuzhere]

The first 7 posts in this thread were copied over from the old board by Chrystalwuzhere.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:32 pm by Jessie.


on another board which most of us are familier with,
they do not believe that God would judge this nation.

example now is the hurricane coming into new orleans.

I wonder if since bush was pushing his road map, land in isreal was given to the PA due to US involvement would God judge this nation in one way or another?

I think of daniel who was made a unich in babylon, did he deserve it? no.
did God love him yes!
but he went into captivity just as well as the rest of them for the sins of the nation.

now I know we are NOT isreal and God deals differently with us but
I wonder about this.

Need some help with this!

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:31 pm by CoreIssue.


Of course this nation has been judged, is being judged and will be judged.

All are judged all the time but not all are punished or rewarded at the same time in the same way.

This is not a Christian nation.

Yes, I think it is more Christian than others but is committing some horrrible sins God hates.

In the Trib all people on the whole earth are tested. That includes us.

Will this nation be one that marches on Jerusalem at Armageddon. Maybe not as a nation.

Will the mark be taken by people in this nation? I actually do not think so but could be very wrong.

But neither does that not mean people will leave here and go to Europe to take the mark either.

A lot of guess work about this nation. But no guess work it will be judged.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:11 pm by Jessie.


could these hurricanes and such other things that happen to this nation be part of Gods judgement on us? I know that things happen normally but just wondering after
we were involved with the pull out in gaza.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:55 pm by CoreIssue.


Yep. Birth pains. Contractions. Warnings.

And they are not being heeded.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:04 am by LuckyStrike.

It is interesting to note that southern Louisiana is dominated by (a) Catholicism and (b) mystical hybrid religions, such as Voodoo and Santeria. Plus, add on the fact that New Orleans is a hotbed of hedonistic celebration for holidays, such as in Marti Gras and Cinco de Mayo. In short, that region is dominated by demonic related activities.

Likewise, the tsunami in Southeast Asia hit an area dominated by Eastern religions, such as in Buddhism, Hinduism, Animism, and hybrid versions of Christianity.

It will be interesting to compare the nature of the devastation between the latter and the former. Already we see how each situation is a product of untapped circumstantial potential being tapped, with the worst phenomena being directed towards non-Christian religions. But, as (a) Mount St. Helens potential for activity and (b) how southern Florida is constantly struck by hurricanes illustrates, the church of Laodicea is being put on notice.

Revelation 3:16 [NIV]
So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

could these hurricanes and such other things that happen to this nation be part of Gods judgement on us?

Be careful to distinguish between America and the Biblical Christians who live in it. Nationality is a worldly distinction, while being a Christian is a spiritual distinction.

Galatians 3:11 [NIV]
Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

Galatians 3:28 [NIV]
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Thus, to equate the former and the latter, especially in terms of judgment, is to "mix apples and oranges." Besides, why would God judge the saved?

1 John 2:2 [NIV]
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for(a) the sins of the whole world.

Footnotes:
(a) Or He is the one who turns aside God's wrath, taking away our sins, and not only ours but also

The Greek word for "atoning sacrifice" [NIV] is hilasmos (Strong's #2434), which means "an appeasing, propitiating" or "the means of appeasing, a propitiation" [Strong's Lexicon] and "atonement, i.e. (concretely) an expiator:--propitiation" [Strong's Gree Dictionary]. In other words, hilasmos refers to turning away wrath itself through atonement.

Thus, 1 John 2:2 says that Christ' sacrifice, on our behalf, turns away God's wrath. Conversely, Scripture says that God's wrath remains on the unsaved:

Ephesians 2:3 [NIV]
All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.

John 3:36 [NIV]
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:39 am by CoreIssue.

I agree there is a correlation between what is happening where and how God is reacting to it.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:22 am by Jessie.


Lucky yep, I do distinquish between america and the christians in it.

on more of a national level I wondered about these things.

good you mentioned the laodicia church. it sure seems that the world is just about ripe for that picking. lukewarm everywhere!

and the birth pains, seems they are getting more intense.

and yes, the warnings are NOT being heeded.

its as though there have been so many warnings with no or little consequence because God is merciful, that people just do NOT listen at all!