Pat Robertson

[Chrystalwuzhere]

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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:38 pm by CoreIssue.
Pat Robertson

General Teachings/Activities

- Pat Robertson (circa. 1930) was Chairman of the Board of the cable network "The Family Channel" (TFC), which was founded by the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) of Virginia Beach, Virginia. He was also president of the political action group Christian Coalition. Robertson is the son of a United States senator. He graduated from the Yale University Law School and the New York Theological Seminary, and briefly attended the University of London. Pat Robertson has a mammoth media, educational, and legal empire with an estimated value of a billion dollars. These enterprises work hand in hand to further Robertson's agenda. Robertson's message is carried daily on the "700 Club" talk/news program, via his (now private, for profit) Family Channel, broadcast on almost 10,000 cable systems and reaching some 68 million homes.

The "700 Club," founded by CBN (1977), was funded substantially with monies contributed by CBN donors. Robertson, who piously touts the importance of moral integrity, has yet to answer for the millions that found their way into his pockets in early May of 1992, when he and his son sold public shares in TFC. The network changed its name to the Family Channel in 1989. To protect the tax-exempt status of CBN, Pat Robertson and his son, Tim, spun off the Family Channel in 1990, legally separating it from CBN. In 1992, the Robertsons sold shares of stock for the Family Channel, which resulted in a payoff of over $500 million for CBN. The Robertsons also owned a block of stock. Regeant University, founded by Robertson, has on its sprawling campus a journalism school and law school. Regeant receives funding from Coors beer through the Coors Foundation.

Robertson lives on the top of a Virginia mountain, in a huge mansion with a private airstrip. He owns the Ice Capades, a small hotel, diamond mines (in Zaire), a vitamin company (Kalo Vita) involved in a multi-level marketing scheme along the lines of Amway, and until recently, International Family Entertainment, parent company of the Family Channel (see below) -- all estimated to be worth between $150-200 million. How does a televangelist, who is supposedly involved in non-profit work, manage to create such a fortune for himself? One thing is known for sure, Robertson's numerous private business interests have at times pushed their expenses onto the tax-exempt, religious interests of CBN. For example, Robertson was caught using CBN money and equipment to aid his diamond mining operation -- a double good deal for Pat, seeing as he employed people in Zaire for ridiculously low wages, and managed to use CBN's infrastructure to cut costs even more. In looking at Robertson's businesses, one is struck by the constant use of non-profit, donor money to fund his schemes. (For documentation of this and more, see Rob Boston's book entitled The Most Dangerous Man in America?: Pat Robertson and the Rise of the Christian Coalition.)


-On 6/11/97, Pat Robertson announced his departure as president of the Christian Coalition and the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN). On the same day, Robertson, along with his son , Tim, struck a megadeal with media baron Rupert Murdoch for the sale of International Family Entertainment (IFE), parent company of the Family Channel, for $1.9 billion. In addition, CBN agreed to sell its more than 3.8 million shares of stock in IFE to Murdoch for $136.1 million. (Robertson remains active in both organizations.) The deal enabled Murdoch to take over the Family Channel's cable television audience for his subsidiary, Fox Kids Worldwide. Murdoch intends to transform the Family Channel, which is the ninth-largest cable television network in America, into a network of children's programming that will compete with Time Warner's Cartoon Network and Viacom's Nickelodeon. Under the terms of the sale, Fox Kids is required to continue carrying The 700 Club, which Robertson cohosts, at 10am Eastern time weekdays, and to keep rebroadcasts on at 10pm. Also benefiting from the deal was Regeant University, the graduate school Robertson established in 1977 as CBN University. Having agreed to sell its 4.2 million shares in IFE for $147.5 million, Regeant's total endowment will rise to $276.5 million, making it one of the 100 most highly endowed universities in the country.

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Robertson has relinquished day-to-day operations of his eight-year-old grassroots political organization, the Christian Coalition, but he has become board chair, a new position. Don Hodel, 62, a secretary of Energy and Interior in the Reagan administration, succeeded Robertson as president and chief executive. He is a former board member and executive vice president of Focus on the Family (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/dobson/). Pat and Tim Robertson, along with Tele-Communications Inc. founder John Malone, formed IFE in 1990 to buy out the Family Channel from CBN after the network's profitability threatened the ministry's tax-exempt status. While CBN programming originally had been heavy with Christian shows, The 700 Club wound up as the only overtly "Christian" show on the Family Channel schedule. (Source: 7/14/97, Christianity Today.)

- Until the mid-1980s, Robertson was known to his television viewers as a Southern Baptist (http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/fbns-index/sbcfbns.htm) preacher and Pentecostal (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/char/more/pente.htm) who claimed to speak in tongues and publicly divert hurricanes through the power of prayer. When he ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, however, he abruptly resigned his ordination, insisted that he was merely a media executive, and grew testy when anyone referred to him as a televangelist. During his campaign, he was forced to concede that he had exaggerated his educational background, that he had failed the bar exam, and that he had fudged the date of his marriage to conceal the fact that his first child had been conceived out of wedlock. (Reported in the 5/25/92 issue of Christian News.)



- What does Pat Robertson believe concerning the inerrancy and inspiring of God's Word? On 6/1/78, Robertson stated on a 700 Club program:"Anything coming through man is contaminated to some extent. Therefore, since the Bible came through man, there must be some errors in it. So, we must never equate the Bible with the perfect Jesus." (Emphasis added.)


This is modernistic unbelief! (cf. 2 Pe 1:20-21). In 1985, Robertson also made statements such as: "The Bible is not a science textbook," and "The only thing perfect in the universe is God Himself." [As of 11/00, we have no evidence that Robertson has amended these views.]

- In October of 1989, Robertson started the Christian Coalition (CC) to stand against the National Endowment for the Arts and to promote Christian values in the political arena (i.e., "... to give Christians a voice in their government again ... [seeking] to reverse the moral decay that threatens our nation by training Christians for effective political action and getting more Christians involved in influencing public policy"). Robertson has also stated that the Coalition's purpose is to "restore Godly principles and Godly people to all centers of influence, from the school house to the White House." The plan was to contact all churches and train Christians (including "pro-life Catholics") to be effective in the political arena and assist in voter registration. (Quoted from a 9/92 fund raising letter from CC.) The Christian Coalition's main activity is to distribute voter guides in election years (depicting candidates' positions on the issues) -- 70 million were distributed for the year 2000 election.

That the Christian Coalition is a big-time political action organization cannot be questioned. It has organized seminars throughout the country to train more than 5,000 evangelicals in how to succeed in local politics, particularly by capturing school board seats and influencing local education policies. It has full-time lobbyists in Washington. Each year numerous "Christian Action Training Schools" are held across the country; 2-day workshops at $35 per person to teach activists how to shape public policy, run grass-roots organizations, elect candidates who say they represent "Christian values," and run for offices ranging from school board to Congress. (See the Christian Coalition Congressional Scorecard.)

[The Christian Coalition is not as new as it would appear. It came into being as a spin-off from Robertson's 1981 organization, The Freedom Council. Robertson was not successful with The Freedom Council. In 10/86, in the midst of an IRS audit, the organization was dissolved. It appeared that The Freedom Council had abused its tax-exempt status.]

- In 1990, Robertson started the American Center For Law and Justice (ACLJ), a law group providing free legal counsel for Christians in battle with "anti-God, anti-family groups." Executive director of the ACLJ is former Ohio prosecutor Keith Fournier, a charismatic Catholic activist and former Dean of Evangelism and legal counsel at the Roman Catholic (Franciscan) University of Steubenville in Ohio. Fournier has authored Evangelical Catholics, a book which is a plea for Protestants to join Catholics (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/Catholicism/) in a joint evangelization effort; i.e., an "evangelistic endeavor" that will "evangelize" the world by the year 2000." Fournier, speaking of Robertson and others in Evangelical Catholics: "I found not only a tremendous openness to my presence but also a growing respect for my church and a thawing in what had been hard ice in the past."

Jay Sekulow serves as the ACLJ's general counsel. The ACLJ absorbed Concerned Women for America's legal staff when CWA disbanded that aspect of its work. Sekulow boasts of having SWAT teams, which he defines as "spiritual warfare assault teams," to defend religious liberty and fight anti-Christian bigotry. Using leased and chartered jets, lawyers from the ACLJ's Virginia Beach headquarters leave at a moment's notice to defend its agenda anywhere in the nation. The ACLJ staff includes 17 full-time lawyers and more than 500 affiliated lawyers. The ACLJ's main office occupies the fourth floor of Regeant University in Virginia Beach. There are regional offices in Atlanta, Mobile, Phoenix, Nashville, and New Hope, Kentucky (a suburb of Louisville -- this office handles most of the ACLJ's anti-abortion cases), as well as a legislative office in Washington, DC. (Source: The Freedom Writer).

The ACLJ poses a danger that outweighs whatever beneficial purposes it might have -- a danger that should labeled: LEGAL ECUMENISM. The potential danger in the ACLJ is the ecumenical overtones and ecumenical bait being dangled before the legally-needy believer. Professing fundamentalists must be extremely careful in the future, that in their desire to retain/regain constitutionally guaranteed freedoms, they are not conned into an ecumenical mesh from which they will be unable to extract themselves. Those who in the future accept the assistance of the ACLJ may discover that they could wind up regaining/maintaining the right to publicly exercise a faith which they no longer possess, that faith having been lost in an ecumenical planning for legal justice (11/92, Fundamentalist Digest).

These political arms (CC and ACLJ) of Robertson's ministry are unbiblical because they facilitate the bringing together of many different denominations under the guise of encouraging conservative political action on the part of those who hold so-called traditional Christian values. This is the same false philosophy held by Jerry Falwell (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/falwell/)'s Moral Majority (now defunct) that America can be helped politically and religiously by disobeying the plain commands of God's Word that forbid fellowship with those who preach a false gospel, no matter how good their political intentions may be. Fighting for religious liberty does not justify forging ecumenical ties!


- Regeant University (formerly CBN University) was founded by Robertson. Known for its liberal arts and law courses, it also boasts of a psychological counseling department that literally denies the sufficiency of Scripture:"It is exciting to be a counselor or psychologist as we approach a new millennium. We are in an age of technology, but technology has not resolved the basic problems of the human condition. With a mission to family, church, and community, the School of Counseling and Human Services offers an opportunity to be a leader in a still-emerging field. The challenge to the Christian mental health (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Letter/v8n1.htm) professional is to synergize personal faith with practice in public, private, academic, and corporate arenas [otherwise known as the integration of psychology and the Bible.] Our master’s program alumni work in educational and mental health offices across the country and internationally. Our doctoral program in clinical psychology is the only evangelical program of its kind on the East Coast. Today's students are tomorrow's leaders in helping people and organizations make sense out ofthe strife and chaos of modern life through understanding, healing, reconciliation, and faith. (Source: Rosemarie Scotti Hughes, Ph.D., Dean of the Regeant School of Counseling and Human Services.)


Some "unique" features of the school, as described by Regeant are: "Integration (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Letter/v8n1.htm#Integration Confusion) of Judeo-Christian principles into the curriculum and programs; a clinic to train students in the practice of counseling and psychology practice as well as to conduct research on the efficacy of Christian counseling; cooperative ventures with other schools at Regeant, such as law and education, in programs for families, churches, and the larger community; and curriculum established to meet national accrediting standards and state licensure" (10/00, Regeant University web site). You can pick up the catalogue of any secular university's psychology department, and its course descriptions would not vary from the godless courses found at Regeant.



- Robertson supports and encourages participation in acts of civil disobedience, such as Randall Terry's Operation Rescue (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/rescue.htm). (Robertson wrote one of the forewords to Terry's book Operation Rescue.) Although there are numerous cases of civil disobedience in the Scriptures, it was never engaged for the purpose of forcing an ungodly society to obey Biblical principles.) Since Operation Rescue's stated purpose is to create social upheaval, and thereby pressure governments into changing the abortion laws, Robertson's philosophy seems to be the same as Operation Rescue's -- "the end justifies the means."

To read the rest of the article - click here (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/robertson/general.htm).

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:30 am by Lordschild.

PK's contradictory stand on homosexuality; its promotion of secular psychology; its unscriptural feminizing of men; its depiction of Jesus as a "phallic messiah" tempted to perform homosexual acts; and its ecumenical and unbiblical teachings should dissuade any true Christian from participating

Anyone have other documentation on this?

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:28 pm by CoreIssue.

PK's contradictory stand on homosexuality; its promotion of secular psychology; its unscriptural feminizing of men; its depiction of Jesus as a "phallic messiah" tempted to perform homosexual acts; and its ecumenical and unbiblical teachings should dissuade any true Christian from participating

Anyone have other documentation on this?

Click here if the page does not display correctly. (http://wayoflife.org/otimothy/tl080016.htm)

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:46 pm by CoreIssue.

Click here if the page does not display correctly. (http://www.seekgod.ca/PK1.htm)

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:04 pm by Jessie.

pat thinks the bible is contaminated.

I suppose hes going to fill in the errors.
how would he know where these supposed errors would be?

I have panic attacks because of that wicked man.
you can tell I have no use for him.

and to pull this off about the bible and act like hes a christian,
still doing it. hes a lier, a greedy swindler. http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/burnup1.gif http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/burnup1.gif http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/burnup1.gif http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/burnup1.gif http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/burnup1.gif

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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:10 pm by Jessie.

would'nt hebrews 4:15

relate to the fact that Jesus was tempted like us,
a multitude of things. I was reading the above
that it was blashemouny to say Jesus was tempted with
sexual sins.
I thought ok with hebrews 4:15 he was tempted,

but without sin......

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:04 pm by CoreIssue.

Christ was tempted. He was human and had to live as human.

It says he succeeded where Adam failed. He was the Second Adam.

Pure nonsense to say he was not tempted. But pure filth to say he was tempted homosexually.

Do you really think Satan would have bothered if he could not be tempted? Do you think the author would have said he was tempted if he was not tempted?

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:41 am by Jessie.

in scripture saying he was tempted, I have and had no clue as to
where it started and ended.
not trying to be blasphemous or filthy http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/blush.gif

I don't know what satan would or would'nt do in that case.
a lot of what satans done already is baffling as hes lost the game already.

I was reading that one site posted and it confused me.....

maybe you can explain what you mean, by that temptation would be blashmous and the others arn't? how to separate the two?
I'm lost on this one.....

in looking at human nature, and the temptations people get I assumed it was in the mix.... http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/blink.gif

the verse says "tempted in all points".

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:40 am by CoreIssue.

Christ was born fully human. But without the sin nature inherited from Adam.

All beings who can think and reason possess freewill. And that means they possess the ability to do what is right or what is wrong. In otherwords to sin or not to sin.

To sin one must know it is sin to do something. Else if they do it but do not know there is no sin.

It remains wrong but it is not sin because they did not know it was wrong.

So Christ possessed the Law, Law of Conscience and the other laws God had revealed. But with his sinless nature his depth of understanding was far deeper than ours or theirs at that time.

He did NOT live has God in the flesh but as Man with a divine nature. Big difference.

God created men and women with sexual natures. Natures, including biologies and such that attract men to women and women to men.

Christ fully possessed a male biological nature so he reacted to women. But reacted in a pure way, not the sin tainted way other men do.

So while he reacted he did so properly, as God intended. Not with lust.

As for Satan tempting Christ:
Matthew 4

The Temptation of Jesus

1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. 2After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.

3The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."

4Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'[1] "

5Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.

6"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:
" 'He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'[2] "

7Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'[3] "
8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."

10Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'[4] "

11Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Christ was very very hungry. Satan tempted him to abandon his fast and satisfy the hunger of his flesh.

Then he tempted him to do a vain act before the world and demonstrate his relationship with God by placing his body in harms way so the angels would have to save him. This was a tempting to grand stand before the eyes of all the people who would see him fall and be saved.

Then he tempted him with power. He offered him the whole world to control and use for himself. That would include wealth, control, women, worldly glory and all the other trappings that tempt the flesh of this world.

There is no sin to be attracted to the opposite sex sexually. There is sin to act on it in throught or deed other than in marriage.

There is great sin to attracted to ones same sex sexually. That means many other sins were committed along the way to arrive at the point where they would now be held sexually attractive to one.

To imply or say that God gave some or all people a natural attraction to the same sex is profaning God. It is even more profane to say God gave it to Christ.

But that is exactly what this all means. It is one thing to say that some have a desire for the same sex because of their sin nature. It is completely something else to say Christ had such desires when he possessed a completely pure as God gave it to Adam nature.

That says God created homosexuality.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:11 pm by Jessie.

I understand. that makes sense thanks for explaining it out.

I agree with it. Never had it ever even touched on before....
and I would'nt want to accuse God of creating that. http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/blush.gif