Prophecy

[CoreIssue]

What is the Gift of Prophecy?
Strong's Number: 4394 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=4394&version=kjv) Original WordWord Originprofhteivafrom (4396 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4396&version=kjv)) ("prophecy")Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4394&version=kjv#Legend) EntryPropheteia6:781,952Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechprof-ay-ti'-ah http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=4394g) Noun Feminine Definition
prophecy
a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by foretelling future events
Used in the NT of the utterance of OT prophets
of the prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions pertaining to it, the spirit of prophecy, the divine mind, to which the prophetic faculty is due
of the endowment and speech of the Christian teachers called prophets
the gifts and utterances of these prophets, esp. of the predictions of the works of which, set apart to teach the gospel, will accomplish for the kingdom of Christ
It is the revelation of God of things unknown to a prophet. This includes past, present and future issues. It does not always include immediate understanding since the prophecy may not be intended for the prophet or even for that time period.

The teachings of the Bible came by prophecy as do the prophecies of the future.

A prophet is one who receives prophecy.

And the gift is still given today. Just not on a Biblical scale nor outside the parameters set within the Bible.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

So, what types of things do people receive through prophecy?

[CoreIssue]

So, what types of things do people receive through prophecy?
Things that help in working with others. Things the others may hide that is revealed to them.

And events that make them aware and effective in working with saints and sinners.

It aids in counseling, teaching, preaching and understand End Times, in example.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Will we be shown things that are coming. Like warnings and such?

[CoreIssue]

Yep. Will vary according to the person and the need.

An incentive to work harder and knowledge of what one is up against on the Apostacy scale.

Add the study of prophecy will add to the knowledge to give an even better picture.

But never sets a date. Never.

And gets murkier the closer we get because too clear would give dates away to some extent.

[eahaddix]

And gets murkier the closer we get because too clear would give dates away to some extent.

Prophecy must be testable (ref. 1 John 4:1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204:1;&version=31;), Deuteronomy 18:14-22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2018:14-22;&version=31;), Matthew 7:15-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:15-20;&version=31;), etc.). Otherwise, ambiguous prophecy allows for the subjective force-fitting of interpretive ideas.

[CoreIssue]

Prophecy must be testable (ref. 1 John 4:1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204:1;&version=31;), Deuteronomy 18:14-22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2018:14-22;&version=31;), Matthew 7:15-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:15-20;&version=31;), etc.). Otherwise, ambiguous prophecy allows for the subjective force-fitting of interpretive ideas.

Murkier. As in less detailed and less often.

I did not say ambiguous.

And really, Daniel saw things that were just past his ability to grasp. His function did not go beyond writing down what he was told to and not what he was told not to.

[eahaddix]

Murkier. As in less detailed and less often.

I did not say ambiguous.

Hold on a second. How do you differentiate between "murkiness" and "ambiguous"?

And really, Daniel saw things that were just past his ability to grasp. His function did not go beyond writing down what he was told to and not what he was told not to.

Which prophecies of Daniel are you referring to?

I agree that many prophecies are "time locked." Specifically, only a certain audience at a certain time in the future gains the knowledge needed to understand certain prophecies. However, the "time locking" of certain prophecies does not excuse such prophecies from testing.

[CoreIssue]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoreIssue
Murkier. As in less detailed and less often.

I did not say ambiguous.



Hold on a second. How do you differentiate between "murkiness" and "ambiguous"?
:eek: Something can be murky but contain information.
Ambiguous has no specific meaning.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreIssue
And really, Daniel saw things that were just past his ability to grasp. His function did not go beyond writing down what he was told to and not what he was told not to.



Which prophecies of Daniel are you referring to?

I agree that many prophecies are "time locked." Specifically, only a certain audience at a certain time in the future gains the knowledge needed to understand certain prophecies. However, the "time locking" of certain prophecies does not excuse such prophecies from testing.

Really? How does one test a time locked prophecy before the prophecy occurs?

So, to the ones prior to the specified time it is untestable.

You answered your own question.

Others are fully testable in the here and now.

[eahaddix]

:eek: Something can be murky but contain information.
Ambiguous has no specific meaning.

No, I asked about application, not raw definitions. How do you differentiate between "murky" and "ambiguous" when evaluating "dreams" and "visions"?


Really? How does one test a time locked prophecy before the prophecy occurs?

So, to the ones prior to the specified time it is untestable.

Hold on a second. Demons can give "time locked" "prophecies," no?

[CoreIssue]

Hold on a second. Demons can give "time locked" "prophecies," no?
Don't change the subject. Some prophecies from God cannot be tested until their time comes.

One can test if a prophecy does not violate the Bible when given. But that does not means one can test its accuracy when given.

[eahaddix]

Don't change the subject.

Wrong. You are begging my question about evaluating "prophecy" by focusing on "time locked" Biblical prophecy. However, if "time locked" "prophecies" can originate from multiple sources, then your objection stands invalid.

So, demons can give "time locked" "prophecies," no?

Some prophecies from God cannot be tested until their time comes.

But how do you know when a prophecy's "time lock" is unlocked? Again, this determination requires justification by testing.

One can test if a prophecy does not violate the Bible when given. But that does not means one can test its accuracy when given.

Agreed. However, lack of information can be just as dangerous as overtly unBiblical information. So, how do you differentiate between "murky" and "ambiguous" when evaluating "dreams" and "visions"?

[CoreIssue]

This has gotten complete off the topic starter.

The topic is what the gift of prophecy is. Not how to test prophecy. Not when it is testable. Not any thing else but what the gift is.

[TLIR]

What does this passage of scripture mean?

(Rev 19:10 NIV) ... For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

[CoreIssue]

What does this passage of scripture mean?

(Rev 19:10 NIV) ... For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

Strong's Number: 3141 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=3141&version=kjv)Original WordWord Originmarturivafrom (3144 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3144&version=kjv))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3141&version=kjv#Legend) EntryMarturia4:474,564Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechmar-too-ree'-ah http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3141g) Noun Feminine Definition

a testifying
the office committed to the prophets of testifying concerning future events
what one testifies, testimony, i.e. before a judge
Strong's Number: 4151 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=4151&version=kjv)Original WordWord Originpneu'mafrom (4154 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4154&version=kjv))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4151&version=kjv#Legend) EntryPneuma6:332,876Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechpnyoo'-mah http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=4151g) Noun Neuter Definition

the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)
sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)
never referred to as a depersonalised force
the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated

the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
the soul
a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting

a life giving spirit
a human soul that has left the body
a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ

the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one

the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.
a movement of air (a gentle blast)

of the wind, hence the wind itself
breath of nostrils or mouth

Strong's Number: 4394 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=4394&version=kjv)Original WordWord Originprofhteivafrom (4396 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4396&version=kjv)) ("prophecy")Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4394&version=kjv#Legend) EntryPropheteia6:781,952Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechprof-ay-ti'-ah http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=4394g) Noun Feminine Definition

prophecy
a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by foretelling future events
Used in the NT of the utterance of OT prophets
of the prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions pertaining to it, the spirit of prophecy, the divine mind, to which the prophetic faculty is due
of the endowment and speech of the Christian teachers called prophets
the gifts and utterances of these prophets, esp. of the predictions of the works of which, set apart to teach the gospel, will accomplish for the kingdom of Christ
King James Word Usage - Total: 19prophecy 16, prophesying 3 KJV Verse Count Matthew (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/freqdisp.cgi?book=mt&number=4394&count=1&version=kjv)1Romans (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/freqdisp.cgi?book=ro&number=4394&count=1&version=kjv)11 Corinthians (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/freqdisp.cgi?book=1co&number=4394&count=5&version=kjv)51 Thessalonians (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/freqdisp.cgi?book=1th&number=4394&count=1&version=kjv)11 Timothy (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/freqdisp.cgi?book=1ti&number=4394&count=2&version=kjv)22 Peter (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/freqdisp.cgi?book=2pe&number=4394&count=2&version=kjv)2Revelation (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/freqdisp.cgi?book=re&number=4394&count=7&version=kjv)7Total19

Now look at the full context.


9Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' " And he added, "These are the true words of God." 10At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

The words of God are true and the words of Christ are the pure essense of the revelation of God. Christ embodies all revelation.

[TLIR]

Thanks. That brings it out.

[Clay Man]

As I understand it the office of a prophet and the gift of prophecy are somewhat different. Doesn't the gift of prophecy include the teaching and preaching of God's word as found in the bible? For example, wouldn't someone with the gift of prophecy make a good teacher even if he has no new revelation or prediction for the future?

[CoreIssue]

As I understand it the office of a prophet and the gift of prophecy are somewhat different. Doesn't the gift of prophecy include the teaching and preaching of God's word as found in the bible? For example, wouldn't someone with the gift of prophecy make a good teacher even if he has no new revelation or prediction for the future?
Not really. A teacher must be wise but they do not have to have the gift of prophecy to be so.

And having the gift does not make one automatically a good teacher.

[univac]

Coreissure do you have any revelations from the lord you would like to share with us.

[CoreIssue]

Coreissure do you have any revelations from the lord you would like to share with us.
Not at this moment. More interested to see how you define some of your statments in a bit clearer fashion.

Always interesting to see a different perspective.