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CoreIssue
02-19-2006, 06:16 PM
There are longer and more detailed sites about Nee's history but this one gives a good overview.
Note the link at the bottom to books written by Nee. This site (http://www.ministrybooks.org/alphabetical.html) has the books online for reading if one so desires.
Many Christians uncritically accept the writings of Watchman Nee even though few know anything about his background. Many are impressed by the volume of his work and the dogmatism and feeling of deep spirituality that characterize his writings. His ideas and books still influence charismatics, fundamentalists and people in between.
Watchman Nee (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/n01.html)
Parture
06-26-2006, 12:23 AM
A full response to all the points in that article are presented here,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Richard_Fisher.htm
A direct response to the quote is presented:
Richard said Watchman Nee did not speak today’s tongues but that neither did he disprove of it either. That is an inaccurate portrayal. When you read his book, God’s Work, the impression you get is that he is using conciliatory irony just as Paul did with the carnal Corinthians who had carried over some practices from the ecstasy of mystery religions (of which there were several) around the region of Corinth. Watchman Nee would use terms like “baby talk” and “kindergarden stage” to describe tongues of Pentecostalism. He said “a church which tries to build itself up by the gifts [which according to man's interpretation includes false tongues of Pentecostalism] will end up being a carnal church always, since it is not God's way for the building up of the church except in the nursery stage”. Watchman Nee believed that tongues meant different languages.
This is ironic because Richard said the charismatic movement, fundamentalists and everyone in between have enjoyed his writings, and his spiritual writings and dogmatisms. Dogmatism is a derogatory term. Watchman Nee’s writings reach out to all denominations, but as Nee said he deeply felt he would incur hostility. My take on Watchman Nee is that what is spiritual can be so easily misinterpreted if one is not careful. For example, Richard uses all the popular euphemisms, like dogmatism, mysticism, gnosticism, but has he made the case for these terms and accurately represented Watchman Nee? Nope! People read Nee with automatic hostility and do not read carefully because the flesh wars against the Spirit.
I love being able to see underneath what is going on.
CoreIssue
06-26-2006, 12:20 PM
My point did not focus on his position on spiritual gifts and such. Nor did the link I gave.
My point was he wrote much and got it wrong. Not only wrong but anti-Biblical. Wrong to the point of being cult.
Today, most people have never heard of him.
Parture
06-26-2006, 03:50 PM
Again, as already stated, you say something Nee said is wrong, but you can't show it, nor do you even try. Self-declarations are utterly selfish. The quote by Richard Fisher is what I am referring to, which I responded to give the answer which shows he is wrong. Many people uncritically accept there is something wrong with Nee's writings, but they can never show it. This should automatically set off alarms that it can't be shown. Still today, Watchman Nee is the most famous Christian that ever lived from China, the most populace place on the planet, and he is the most humble and accurate writer I have ever read, and I have read many. He never evangelized and continued to remain steady in his work and then was martyred in jail the last 20 years of his life. The reason you are a cult is because you behave like a cult. Cults teach that they can make claims but don't have to back up what they believe whether in teaching or in accusing. That's what you do. It's selfish and self-centered. As I said before you have some subterranean motivation since something in your spirit is driving you to sin bearing false witness and it is not the Holy Spirit. And guess what? It is likely you will never repent, so God will deal with you accordingly. Praise the Lord!
The link you gave did focus on the gifts mentioning tongues which is a gift, for Pentecostals claim gibberish babble is a gift, but it is not, since there is no gibberish babble in the Bible. Tongues is a gift, but gibberish babble is not. Nee did not believe in false tongues. The background of the charismatics is in Pentecostalism. Pentecostalism started about 100 years ago, Charismatics 50 years ago. Pentecostalism is commonly known as the first wave movement, charismatics as the second wave movement, and the third wave movement is the marriage of these two movements with the RCC as the great harlot of religious Rome. My prayers go out to you for your repentance.
CoreIssue
06-26-2006, 04:59 PM
Answer the questions I asked in another topic. From the Bible.
This is meaningless to toss he said/he did not say back and forth when the issue is was Nee Biblical or not.
We can do some exacting point by points.
Parture
06-26-2006, 06:22 PM
I need not answer any questions vaguely referenced some place else. You don't adhere to the Bible when you sin bearing false witness making claims in these threads without ever quoting Nee to make your case. You admit his writings are extensive, so surely you could make your case instead of merely self-declaring things mindlessly. Such behavior is not Biblical. Since the Bible is against sinning bearing false witness, it is meaningful to consider what the person actually said rather than professing third parties.
Point by point, you could go to your sources and gather quotes if they existed for your claims, so why don't you do that? I am waiting.
CoreIssue
06-26-2006, 06:31 PM
You need not answer questions? Just posting tons of links to your site to try to get people converted by reading none related materials is sufficient? Nope. It is not
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