Nee Writings

[CoreIssue]

Nee wrote a lot of materials.

In just casual reading at first it sounds like he might just be saying a lot of things one believes in a different way.

But the more one reads it starts becoming obvious there is a huge, mystical, Pentecostal and other non Christian and Biblical issues and beliefs being taught.

His online writings are located at Living Stream Ministry (http://www.ministrybooks.org/collected-works.html).

[Parture]

It sounds like those that would sin bearing false witness against Watchman Nee through he said, she said, and not actually quoting Nee is a sign of sloppiness and a spirit of undiscernment.

Remember, Nee treated mysticism as of the emotion, not of the spirit and he did not believe in Pentecostalism since he did not believe tongues was gibberish babble. If you would like to confirm this for yourself read God's Work by Nee.

Richard said Watchman Nee did not speak today’s tongues but that neither did he disprove of it either. That is an inaccurate portrayal. When you read his book, God’s Work, the impression you get is that he is using conciliatory irony just as Paul did with the carnal Corinthians who had carried over some practices from the ecstasy of mystery religions (of which there were several) around the region of Corinth. Watchman Nee would use terms like “baby talk” and “kindergarden stage” to describe tongues of Pentecostalism. He said “a church which tries to build itself up by the gifts [which according to man's interpretation includes false tongues of Pentecostalism] will end up being a carnal church always, since it is not God's way for the building up of the church except in the nursery stage”.

Watchman Nee believed that tongues meant different languages.

Instead of bearing false witness, why not double check your sources of he said, she said?

Answers to all known sins bearing false witness are found here,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Misreading.htm

Use the search function to find out about anything specifically.

And remember Living Stream Ministry does not accurately represent Nee's writings either, for LSM is the cult run by the unregenerate Witness Lee. Watchman Nee was jailed for life in 1953. After that time the Little Flock remained true to Nee's agreement with the Word. They separated themselves from the LSM cult.

For a brutal example of altering Nee's writings, go here (Watchman Nee published The Spiritual Man himself),
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Spiritual_Man.htm

[Parture]

What is this self-proclaimed unspecified different way? Deeper is not different. It is better and more accurate is it not? If your prefer to remain fleshly, no doubt what is deeper will seem different because it is different to your understanding of that which is fleshly and ultimately inaccurate. I know there is some false teaching in the CTZ forum owner because to sin bearing false witness has its hidden subterranean motivation of lack of humility and some certain false teaching.

[Parture]

Please do not try to draw people off to other forums to continue a discussion from here.

[CoreIssue]

Parture,

I have read on Nee from many sources, including pro-Nee sites.

While you may wish to dispute some points of translation the overall reality of Nee remains the same.

He taught a ton that was not Biblical.

The main point is he derived thinking and beliefs from non-Biblical sources. And they perverted Biblical truths.

The Bible does show us to be beings of flesh, mind and soul. The mind being the 'meeting place' of the flesh and spirit.

Before born-again, the flesh is very powerful in our total being. And the Bible does use soul, in many places, to refer to our total being.

After born-again, we do not become spirit controlled. The Bible is quite clear the flesh and spirit are at war. And that war plays out in the mind. Neither our flesh or spirits are in complete control.

And at resurrection, we are not pure spirit beings. We will once again be beings of spirit and flesh. But they will be in total harmony.

So, mistranslation or not. Nee gets it very wrong.

[Parture]

I don't wish to dispute anything. I am merely speaking the truth, and will let you repent if you are willing to receive God's leading in your life. I do not say all translations at the LSM cult are inaccurate of Nee's writings, but certainly some as the one I have given you is a premier example, and remember Nee published the white cover himself in English. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Spiritual_Man.htm

Obviously I document this information on my site, because you admit you censor and ban the truth. So what I have done is quite reasonable don't you think?

The overall reality of Nee's writings are the same, he remains an uttermost spiritual Christian, and I certainly can't find anyone's writings that are deeper in Christ, nor can you. We can quantify this too with specific teachings that set Nee apart in his accuracy. Suffice it to say, in our reading the Word, him and I agree. Those 5 pinpointeres are: 1) osas arminian, 2) tripartite man, 3) gap restoration, 4) partial rapture, and 5) Biblical locality. Very simple, very true, and proven ad finitum. These teachings expose your teachings. Praise God!

Your teaching is non-Biblical, for the Bible says do not sin bearing false witness, and all I have seen is this is what you do. I love being able to see underneath you on this matter.

The writings of Nee were derived from the the Word of God. It is said, and you can sense it, his writings fit like a glove on the Word (66 books of the Bible-Jesus Christ). If it was not the case you could show otherwise. You are aware many in the west deeply respect Nee's writings, because he was so consecrated, and had great talent. Apparently he had a photographic memory and his IQ was off the charts. That's why you try to sin bearing false witness trying to claim he is forgotten. You'll try to deceive yourself every which way you can. That is the power of your flesh at war with the Spirit.

The mind is never confused with the spirit. The mind is of the soul, and of course Nee proves that completely here with verses of Scripture. Your issues are coming forth, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/spiritsoul.htm.

We are tripartite. In short, our soul is our mind, will and emotion: self-consciousness. Our spirit has the functions of intuition, communion and conscience: God-consciousness. And our body is our world-consciousness. The flesh is the sin of the body and self of the soul. When God breathed His Spirit into the body from dust, there was created the soul life. Chay is used to describe the fact that what was created was both a soul life and a spirit life: the soulical and the spiritual. The soul therefore, is a composite of our body and spirit. Nee explains this in his writings, which you fail to discern. Take another look. Don't be lazy. Anyone can accuse mindlessly. It's the easiest thing in the world. The bipartite view is of fallen man, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/spiritsoulbody.htm

After being born-again, it is God's desire that the spirit of the believer take pre imminence as the guiding principle by which the believer walks by so that the soul aids the spirit in communion with the Holy Spirit. The battlefield is in the mind where Satan tries to gain a stronghold. The flesh wars against the spirit, but the redemptive design effects the spirit regaining its rightful place in the believer if the believer is willing. Think of the spirit as the mistress, the soul and the steward and the body as the servant. The soul (where the mind is housed) listens to the sensitivity of the spirit's still small voice and inner registrations as the spirit receives from the Holy Spirit God's direction. Your spirit is your inner man and your soul and body comprise your outer man. I do agree with one thing thing you said though, that when you are born-again, you do not become automatically spirit lead for you are still a babe in Christ and are for the most part operating soulically. Your still likely stuck in your mind, will and emotion, and forsaking the intuition and conscience of your spirit. This takes time to overcome. The fact that we have a spirit and are born-again does not mean we are without the mind, will and the emotion, for God wants us to use all our parts. It just means rather that the spirit is to regain its rightful place as 1 Thess. 5.23 says spirit, soul and body in that order. I am always amazed that men of the flesh can be so confused by this basic truth of the dividing of the spirit, soul and body. As Watchman Nee wrote in TSM (CFP white covers): "I am not the first to advocate the teaching of the dividing of spirit and soul. Andrew Murray once said that what the church and individuals have to dread is the inordinate activity of the soul with its power of mind and will. F. B. Meyer declared that had he not known about the dividing of spirit and soul, he could not have imagined what his spiritual life would have been. Many others, such as Otto Stockmayer, Jessie Penn-Lewis, Evan Roberts, Madame Guyon, have given the same testimony. I have used their writings freely since we all have received the same commission from the Lord; therefore I have decided to forego notating their many references." Praise the Lord!

The difference between Nee and you is that Nee can back up what he says, as can I.

Watchman Nee never said we are pure spirit beings at resurrection. We still remain spirit, soul and body. Nee believed the new city is a physical city and we will inhabit it physically with our newly resurrected spiritual bodies. There is a wonderful 17 point proof of this fact. Why make this bizarre accusation: "at resurrection, we are not pure spirit beings". Since Nee did not teach this, why argue about it? You're on a tangent.

I don't even think you are misreading something somewhere. You seem to just make things up in your hostility and accusations. You never provide a quote. May I say that you seem like you are trying to be cunning and couth with your words since you never provide the source of your accusations. I believe the source therefore must be the evil spirit in your spirit. You get it wrong every time.

[CoreIssue]

So far I am seeing preaching.

Answer the Biblical question in the one post to get off this bouncing around.

There are a couple of things to address here though, on a different level.


Your teaching is non-Biblical, for the Bible says do not sin bearing false witness, and all I have seen is this is what you do. I love being able to see underneath you on this matter.


The mind is never confused with the spirit. The mind is of the soul, and of course Nee proves that completely here with verses of Scripture. Your issues are coming forth, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/spiritsoul.htm.

We are tripartite.

The difference between Nee and you is that Nee can back up what he says, as can I.
You just bore false witness against me and many here.

We believe we are being composed of mind, body and spirit. The spirit and body input into the mind where a decision is made.

One problem with your state is that you call soul the mind in all situations. That is erroneous.

It also carried the meaning, in a number of uses, of being our complete being, as in working as a unified whole within the world.

When we die the flesh is temporarily lost, but the spirit and the mind go on. If damned, in Hell. If saved, in Heaven.

But the flesh input portion of the mind is lost until resurrection and glorfication. Then the flesh is restored but purified.

Nor is the soul, when used in the context of the mind, the place where the mind is housed. It is the mind when used in that context. Partially flesh and partially spirit.
Watchman Nee never said we are pure spirit beings at resurrection. We still remain spirit, soul and body. Nee believed the new city is a physical city and we will inhabit it physically with our newly resurrected spiritual bodies.
Then why did you say spiritual bodies instead of resurrected flesh bodies? The Bibles says our flesh is resurrected.

Is it a spiritual or flesh body?

[InTheWind]

I don't wish to dispute anything. I am merely speaking the truth, and will let you repent if you are willing to receive God's leading in your life

That says it all in my book.:grr:

[CoreIssue]

That says it all in my book.:grr:
Yep. It sure does.

[eahaddix]

Agreed. I classify his diatribes as spam, not theological discourse.

[monilove]

I first heard his name from Joyce Meyers on tv when I watched her. I had never heard of him before that. This info is good to know.