Rick Warren and the PDL movement

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Note: The first 11 posts here are reposts from the old board by CoreIssue.

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:54 pm by Jessie

here is a good site to check out.

http://www.myfortress.org/RickWarren.html (http://www.myfortress.org/RickWarren.html)

the purpose driven life movement is destroying churches
pastors sign confidentility agreements to not disclose things with warrens consultants ect.

Warren is part of the ultra conservative southern baptist convention yet warrens pastor training program welcomes catholics, methodists, mormons (and more) (see on the page)

he likes robert schuller, (chystal cathedral)
schuller disagrees openly with the bible.

and also, paul crouch in Jan 2004 was a guest speaker at a conference I at the crystal cathedral.....(please see the page )

personally this is frightening.

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Full power ahead to the AC religion.

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http://www.gracebible.org/seekersensitive/Fifteen%20Evil%20Consequences%20of%20Plexiglas%20P reaching.pdf (http://www.gracebible.org/seekersensitive/Fifteen%20Evil%20Consequences%20of%20Plexiglas%20P reaching.pdf)



this is another that explains some. I have visited a PDC and i think alot of it though doesnt apply, atleast to the ONE i know of. Although as a visitor I can only have such a yay big perspective to speak out of.


Jesse, i have a Rick Warren book that someone let me borrow, but i have only read some! So thanks for starting this thread--

This is what bothers me:

why does Lee Strobel, and Billy Graham endorse it?

Billy Graham- is another thread really..

They are quoted along with these others i never heard of... Max Lucado and Bruce Wilkinson.

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this is bad stuff.

I am going to try to find some links concerning the willowcreek church.
to post here.

I would burn that book.

If it is ok Core may I say that over on RR in endtimes chat is 2 threads concerning the pdl. Seeker has posted so much and so many links it is well worth looking at and checking out.

one link on willowcreek, shows how this is all tied into marxism. http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/blink.gif
be back in a bit if I can find the link.
sounds crazy but made sense.

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found it.

http://www.etherzone.com/2000/proc110900.html (http://www.etherzone.com/2000/proc110900.html)

the page is good to read then at the bottom is "related articles"
there are 3 of them.

the one I'm speaking of is "hegelian dialectic and the new world order"
that is one very interesting read.

the other 2 related articles are very good also.

boy does it explain a lot thats been going on thru the yrs.
everything going backwards and being set into confusion......

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At the link I posted above....from the PDL church that I visited.. the article is in accurate when it claims that the preachers arent well studied. From my opinion the two preachers are very well studied.


They dont discouarage Bible study or bringing Bible to church , at all, in fact its encouraged.

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Gospel Warrior wrote:At the link I posted above....from the PDL church that I visited.. the article is in accurate when it claims that the preachers arent well studied. From my opinion the two preachers are very well studied.


They dont discouarage Bible study or bringing Bible to church , at all, in fact its encouraged.

Many misleading others give the image of promoting study and learning. But it ends up study via their materials and their approaches with little tolerance for questioning or challenge.

Does that apply here or not? Will they discuss and offer real proofs when questioned or do they just go with the old, "We don't believe that here." answers?

Curious.

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Does that apply here or not? Will they discuss and offer real proofs when questioned or do they just go with the old, "We don't believe that here." answers?

Curious.


that church i visted believe this:

OUR BELIEFS:

WE BELIEVE the Scriptures to be the inspired Word of God and our ultimate and final authority for faith in practice.

WE BELIEVE in one God, revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God, our perfect heavenly Father, loves and cares for all.

WE BELIEVE that Jesus Christ, God's Son, sacrificially died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sin, and is Savior to those who believe in Him.

WE BELIEVE that the Holy Spirit was sent by God to live in and transform the lives of believers into the likeness of Christ.

WE BELIEVE that God created us in His image; that sin brought separation from God; and that all who receive salvation by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ are no longer separated from Him but become children of God. The only way to become a Christian is by turning from a sinful life to Christ, and by trusting in Him as Lord and Savior. Only then can we begin to delight in God as He intended.

WE BELIEVE that the Church, Christ's radiant bride, is a spiritual body made up of all believers, each of whom is a vital part of God's plan.

OUR CORE VALUES:


Every person is created and saved to worship, glorify and enjoy God.
Clear, Bible-centered teaching is essential for the transformation and connectedness of individuals and the church to Christ.
Religiously disconnected people matter to God, and therefore matter to Faith Church.
Spiritual growth is a life-long process.
Every person should be connected to God and other people in authentic community.
Every believer has an area in which they can connect into Christian ministry.
Leaders are called and empowered by God to lead the church.

the proofs have been along the lines of that if people differ in details, they are united through Jesus and they offer the fact that the Devil has claimed culture and so God has too. --- is this an answer?

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It is indeed to me.

It talks about union and growth by community. It talks about spiritual growth being a life long process.

Where does it once say we are saved by repentence by faith in grace? Where does it limit salvation to be as defined by Biblical Christianity.

By embracing such as Mormons and such as legitimate parts of their spiritual community with lack of the repentence statement this is a declaration of many roads to God. Especially adding in the cultural differing issues.

This is cult talk.

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This is cult talk.
http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/investigate.gif http://www.christiantalkzone.net/archive/images/smiles/59a.gif

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He is a 'disciple' of Robert Schuller's.

That ALONE would make me run away from this book faster than a fox at a foxhunt.

The endtime 'church' will be united, all umbrella's under one roof. It will NOT be Christian, but ill SEEM to be Christian, all the more to deceive.

The Lord asked a rhetorical question before He departed. 'When I return, will I find faith upon the earth?'.

That goes hand in hand with :

'There will be a great falling away', and 'even the elect COULD be deceived'.

Very sobering words. We see the 'umbrella' church forming before our very eyes.

Find out who Robert Schuller is, and what he's promoted, before you fall for the PDL way.