Confronting Word-Faith Adherents

[eahaddix]

Let us collect tips for reaching Word-Faith adherents here. If you met a Word-Faith adherent, in any place, then how would you deal with them?

For instance, have you seen Karen Wheaton's "the Ramp" youth ministry? When TBN airs "the Ramp's" "services," one sees youth whipping themselves into emotional frenzies. In fact, you might find yourself rolling your eyes at their screaming, abstract interpretive dancing, crying, and clapping. So, how would you confront youth who follow this "ministry"?

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Let us collect tips for reaching Word-Faith adherents here. If you met a Word-Faith adherent, in any place, then how would you deal with them?

For instance, have you seen Karen Wheaton's "the Ramp" youth ministry? When TBN airs "the Ramp's" "services," one sees youth whipping themselves into emotional frenzies. In fact, you might find yourself rolling your eyes at their screaming, abstract interpretive dancing, crying, and clapping. So, how would you confront youth who follow this "ministry"?
Just thinking of it makes one feel overwhelmed. Where does one start?

Most youth lack maturity. They parrot what they have been taught, or conditioned with. The first thing I would do is investigate how much of the word of God they know for themselves, or how much they quote by rote from hearing it over and over from the WOF pulpit. Then I would go from there.

A lot of people can only quote doctrine specific passages... passages which are surgically snipped (as Sid would say) away from true scripture, and taken out of context to support an erroneous doctrine. God's Word is to be taken as a whole...and getting them to somehow settle down and read the whole would be a logical first step to getting them to drink nourishing milk, and grow.

After all, we know that WOF and other doctrines are only swallowed because the adherents in their congregations are biblically illiterate, or they were raised on poisoned milk.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Bump

[Jessie]

thats a hard one

loads of prayer first. woffers dont see the gospel and Gods word the way we do.
they have different meanings for things and they get sooooo hard.
the searing of the heart.
they cant hear.

you have to know Gods word really well. and expect them to go balistic on you, get extremely angry and say all sorts of nonsense.

I havent seen one you could sit down and have a real conversation with.
they think they know IT ALL.

I would say the youth are very illiterate concerning Gods word there might be one here or there that fell into it and is looking to get out not knowing how to.

and its going to take lots of patience if one could get one to actually listen.
plant seeds though.

they tend to repeat what the wof teachers spout, and never really read the word for themselves.

Chrystal said,

A lot of people can only quote doctrine specific passages... passages which are surgically snipped (as Sid would say) away from true scripture, and taken out of context to support an erroneous doctrine. God's Word is to be taken as a whole...and getting them to somehow settle down and read the whole would be a logical first step to getting them to drink nourishing milk, and grow.

After all, we know that WOF and other doctrines are only swallowed because the adherents in their congregations are biblically illiterate, or they were raised on poisoned milk.
02-18-2006 07:58 AM


getting them to settle down is a good thing.

one thing that I have seen over and over is the confession.
they have the idea if it comes out of the mouth its real.
and they think whats in their heart does'nt matter.

in wof there is no heart that I've seen. it gets tossed to the wayside.

[Jessie]

its a mind control, so it would probably be prudent to study up on that too...

and be ready to answer lots of questions if they start cause its a mess in ones mind trying to be normal again. loads of fear and guilt keep one going around in circles mentaly.

[Sid]

God's Word is to be taken as a whole...and getting them to somehow settle down and read the whole would be a logical first step to getting them to drink nourishing milk, and grow.

After all, we know that WOF and other doctrines are only swallowed because the adherents in their congregations are biblically illiterate, or they were raised on poisoned milk.


WOF is like an onion, confusion layered with deception:


The major tenets of the Word of Faith movement betray the fact that it is in opposition to mainstream, evangelical Christianity:

It asserts that God created human beings in “God’s class” as “little gods.” Before the fall, humans had the potential to exercise a “God kind of faith” and could call things into existence.
Humans took on Satan’s nature by rebelling against God in the Garden of Eden, thus losing the ability to call things into existence.
In order to correct this situation, Jesus Christ became a man, died spiritually (taking Satan’s nature upon Himself), went to hell, was “born again,” and rose from the dead with God's nature.
After this, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to duplicate the Incarnation in believers so they might fulfill their calling to be little gods. It follows, then, that those who have had the Incarnation duplicated in them by the Holy Spirit (thus giving them the ability to exercise the “God kind of faith”) should be successful in every area of their lives.
Furthermore, hardships like indebtedness, illness, and even being left by one’s spouse show lack of faith because these problems should be eliminated by “claiming” God’s promises.
While certain details of the above outlined doctrine vary from teacher to teacher, the general outline remains the same. CRI considers this teaching in its complete form to be at best aberrational and at worst heretical.



The major tenets of the Word of Faith movement (http://www.equip.org/free/RC010.htm)

[CoreIssue]

It depends on the time. Hard to plan ahead.

I might ask something like:
Well, after watching all of this real close, can you show me where any of this is shown, taught or encouraged in the Bible? I can't.

[Jessie]

its exceptionally hard to talk to them, they get furious!

and one thing is that they have "their" warnings to others, but the ones in the bible to all of us, seems to fly right over their heads.

I think Core is right. its a good starting point. most wont get it, look to see,
but some like me wanted out after we fell into it and did'nt know what happened to us.

Sid, peeling a onion, the layers, yes, excellent example and exactly what I've been doing
for 2 yrs now. with a few other things included in that onion peeling