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[Jessie]

can woffers pray over a person and put an oppresion on them?

because we do NOT have the same spirit....

I'm thinking of the laying on of hands and such....

[Jessie]

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[LDinthewoods]

What do you mean "put an oppression" on someone?

[CoreIssue]

can woffers pray over a person and put an oppresion on them?

because we do NOT have the same spirit....

I'm thinking of the laying on of hands and such....
No.

Again you are falling into the power of faith and speaking of words thinking.

If you get oppressed, you did it to yourself or allowed it to be done.

[Jessie]

no not falling for it, just wondering in thinking back on things.

still sorting out a lot!

did'nt know if it was a possiblity or not.

a lot of weird stuff happened then...

another question, is in thinking wof is extremely legalistic, is that right?

I remember my sil and them praying....

I think I can pull up a link for what I'm talking about. and would like to go over it.

[Jessie]

http://www.truthseek.net/77test01.html

heres the link....

would like to go over it, is this again, giving them power in their words or is there a spiritual thing that goes on too?

[eahaddix]

http://www.truthseek.net/77test01.html

heres the link....

would like to go over it, is this again, giving them power in their words or is there a spiritual thing that goes on too?

Notice that the people in question demonstrated submission to occultic practices, through passively allowing this "laying of hands" and "intercessory prayer." As a result, this served as an opportunity for demons to enter households or oppress individuals.

However, without the voluntary presence of a proactive evil spirit, such "laying of hands" or "intercessory prayer" is meaningless nonsense. This is supported by the fact that not all former Word-Faith adherents report such spiritual oppression.

[CoreIssue]

no not falling for it, just wondering in thinking back on things.

still sorting out a lot!

did'nt know if it was a possiblity or not.

a lot of weird stuff happened then...

another question, is in thinking wof is extremely legalistic, is that right?

I remember my sil and them praying....

I think I can pull up a link for what I'm talking about. and would like to go over it.
Not so much legalistic as actually having rigid "spells" and "incantations."

[CoreIssue]

Notice that the people in question demonstrated submission to occultic practices, through passively allowing this "laying of hands" and "intercessory prayer." As a result, this served as an opportunity for demons to enter households or oppress individuals.

However, without the voluntary presence of a proactive evil spirit, such "laying of hands" or "intercessory prayer" is meaningless nonsense. This is supported by the fact that not all former Word-Faith adherents report such spiritual oppression.
Agree.

[Jessie]

so let me understand this right...

when there is a demonic spirit there it can be passed to another by their laying on of hands and their prayers over a person?



I have wondered about the verse in scripture that says to NOT lay hands on anyone suddenly.
does that apply here? or is it in reference to something else.

[Jessie]

too I wonder, is it possible that those who are truly Gods and simply fall into this garbage,
are the ones that get attacked by this oppresion, whereas
the others satan does'nt concern himself with them, as they are unsaved.

[CoreIssue]

so let me understand this right...

when there is a demonic spirit there it can be passed to another by their laying on of hands and their prayers over a person?
A demon does not require contact to move around. Another ritual forumla a demon will use to propogate this kind of thinking.

And the person has to be open to receiving a demon. Plus, a demon, while it can influence a saint cannot possess a saint.

Yes, a demon can harass a saint. But no, it cannot enter or control a saint.

I have wondered about the verse in scripture that says to NOT lay hands on anyone suddenly.
does that apply here? or is it in reference to something else.
Like do not cast out very demon for it will come back with more.

Don't bless, pray over, appoint and such anyone without giving it good thought and reasoning.

You may be doing so with someone who does not deserve it or cannot receive it.

[Jessie]

I see! so many errors in my thinking.

goodness its common sense demons dont need that ritual.
good point!

so somewhere I opened myself up to it...

thanks! its making sense now.

[TLIR]

Don't focus on the oppression or the oppressor.
focus on your Lord, your comforter, the lifter of your head. Looking unto Jesus.

There are many summits in life and many long hard climbs. But oh, the view from the top. Many people never press on till they reach the top, and what a view they miss.
You will see many people turn back for the valley. They find the valley not as nice as it was when they first passed through. They were and we are meant for each valley on the other side of every summit. Never looking back just pressing on.

A Pilgrim. just passing through,

Arthur, TLIR:yowza:

[CoreIssue]

While I agree we need to stay focused on the Lord to overcome a problem one must also identify the problem and ths source.


Know thy enemy.


People damaged or misled by the Pentecostal Movement, including its children, such as WoF have to understand what they have learned that is wrong to overcome it with what is right.

They cannot simply turn a blind eye to those false teachings and march forward.

God demands us to learn and grow. That requires understanding what is right as well as what is wrong.

Jessie has grown tons since I first met her. But the process has always been to identify the problem, understand where it came from and then move toward the fix.

To change one must identify what needs changed and why.:D