Daniel and Revelations have the same style of writing

[MHz]

Hi Core,

In the hopes that our conversation doesn’t mirror what we have gone over before this is hopefully a way of looking at the same topic but from a viewpoint that is somewhat different.

The book of Daniel looks at a certain number of kingdoms as outlined by the vision of the statue in ch 2.. The head of gold, the breast and arms of silver, the brass of the belly and thighs, the legs and feet that are of iron (including the feet as they have some iron).

Later chapters supply more detail on each and for this lets just look at the silver, brass and iron.

The silver covers two kings,
Da:5:31: And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

Da:1:21: And Daniel continued even unto the first year of king Cyrus.

Da:10:1: In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.

Da:6:28: So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

The brass kingdom is covered in ch 8 and it overcomes the kings of the silver;
Da:8:20: The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

The brass represents more than one king, it covers 4 kings;

Da:7:6:
After this I beheld,
and lo another,
like a leopard,
which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;
the beast had also four heads;
and dominion was given to it.

Da:8:21:
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia:
and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Da:8:22:
Now that being broken,
whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.

The last of these 4 that stand up is responsible for this;

Da:8:8:
Therefore the he goat waxed very great:
and when he was strong,
the great horn was broken;
and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
Da:8:9:
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.
Da:8:10:
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
Da:8:11:
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Da:8:12:
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised,
and prospered.

See anything in the above that describes Rome? This kingdom continues until the last one before Christ returns;

Da:8:23:
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.
Da:8:24:
And his power shall be mighty,
but not by his own power:
and he shall destroy wonderfully,
and shall prosper,
and practise,
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Da:8:25:
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand;
and he shall magnify himself in his heart,
and by peace shall destroy many:
he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes;
but he shall be broken without hand.

The iron kingdom is Satan;

Da:7:7:
After this I saw in the night visions,
and behold a fourth beast,
dreadful and terrible,
and strong exceedingly;
and it had great iron teeth:
it devoured and brake in pieces,
and stamped the residue with the feet of it:
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;
and it had ten horns.

Da:7:23:
Thus he said,
The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,
which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,
and shall devour the whole earth,
and shall tread it down,
and break it in pieces.
Da:7:24:
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:
and another shall rise after them;
and he shall be diverse from the first,
and he shall subdue three kings.
Da:7:25:
And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times and laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Da:7:26:
But the judgment shall sit,
and they shall take away his dominion,
to consume and to destroy it unto the end.


So how does all the above tie into Revelations? Revelations also has a vision, the seven seals. These seven seals would be similar to Daniel 2. Later chapters add more information to what was first seen. Daniels vision had 4 parts, the vision in Revelations has 7 parts. Daniel covers all 4 of these in later chapters, Revelations does the same. Daniel 4th kingdom is the same as Revelations 7th and 8th kings, Satan and the False Prophet.

I have to run for abit but this should be enough to get the conversation started.

[CoreIssue]

Hi MHz,

First. the Beasts are a separate presentation with a separate purpose from the Statue.

So, the second you use the Beasts to deal with the Statue you miss the point entirely.

Read our charts in the Side Menu link. Too much info to repost it all here.

The issue is Mystery Babylon. You included a lot of things that have nothing to do with Mystery Babylon.

The Statue is Mystery Babylon. The 7 kings are there in the statue. The Ten Kingdoms are in the Toes.

And where do you find 7 and 10? The Beast of Revelation. His heads and crowns. You do not find all those other kingdoms and kings you tried to bring in her at all.

And where do you find the Beasts with John? The body of the Beast. And again not all the kings you tried to bring in but the key kings and kingdoms again.

So, going that route, you totally miss what John is saying.

Head is two kings of Babylon.
Arms are Medo Persia and its two kings.
Belly is Greece and Alexander the Great, who is the king that was, is not and will be.
Legs is the two Romes.
Ten Toes are the Ten Crowns on the 7 heads.
So, a direct correlation between the 7 kings and Ten Toes of the Statue and the 7 heads and 10 crowns of the Beast of Revelation. Which John uses to tell us who the AC demon is. From Greece and Alexander the Great. And tells us what kingdom he will possess. The restored Roman Empire from the Ten Toes (EU)

Really very clearly said.


The brass represents more than one king, it covers 4 kings;

In the Statue the brass is only one king and one kingdom. That is in chapter 3 with Daniel explaining after. Not 4 kings for the Bras.

Again, you are erring to use the explanation of the 4 beasts to explain the Statue. Daniel did not do that.


The iron kingdom is Satan;

No. The iron kingdom is Rome. And it shattered into the Ten Toes that will reform as the kingdom of the AC.

The AC is stated to rise out of the Ten Toes.

See anything in the above that describes Rome? This kingdom continues until the last one before Christ returns;

Actually you are wrong.

It states the AC will rise out of Greece, which I fully agree with.

It does not say Greece continues on until Christ.

The Statue establishes the Mystery Babylon Kingdom rising out of the Ten Toes. The Beasts establish the AC rising out of Greece.

Again, you cannot use the beasts to define the Statue. Each is defined separately for good reason.

So how does all the above tie into Revelations? Revelations also has a vision, the seven seals. These seven seals would be similar to Daniel 2. Later chapters add more information to what was first seen. Daniels vision had 4 parts, the vision in Revelations has 7 parts. Daniel covers all 4 of these in later chapters, Revelations does the same. Daniel 4th kingdom is the same as Revelations 7th and 8th kings, Satan and the False Prophet.
Simply put, wrong.

You mix together the Statue and the Beasts, which is an error.

And Revelation has 21 parts, not 7.

Both say a 7 year Trib. Both agree on sequence and content.

the 7th King is the last king of Rome. They 8th is the king who was, is not and will bel.

Satan is not a kingdom. The False Prophet is never a king.

7 Seals followed by 7 Trumpets followed by 7 Bowl followed by the Second Coming.

The First Seal is the AC, who comes to conquer with peace, as the one kicking off the 70th Week of Daniel with his peace treaty. Same Mid description and at the end of the 7 years the same destruction.

Jerusalem has no place in the Statue or the Beasts. Mystery Babylon is Rome as defined in the Statue and by John.

[MHz]

Hi Core,

First. the Beasts are a separate presentation with a separate purpose from the Statue.
If they provide the link to the kingdoms they have importance. Daniel couldn’t be shown (tell us would even more accurate) Was what was held back revealed in a later book. Like in the NT, in all or part. They are said to be the legs and feet, the 4th, brass the 3rd , silver the 2nd . What is said in ch 8 is also said to be the same in the leopard, 4 horns are called kingdoms and the beast has 4 heads. If what is said in Daniel about the 4th kingdom is Satan during his 42 month assault. What he does in the first 5 months and then for the rest of his time with the False Prophet ‘leading the way’, wink, wink..

But lets first see if Rome qualifies as being a possibility for being brass.

To do that I need to bring up some thing the silver shows and if we go that far back, might start with the head.

Nebuchadnezzar didn’t start out as a ‘chosen one’ but by the time of his death he believed that God alone was God;

Da:4:34:
And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven,
and mine understanding returned unto me,
and I blessed the most High,
and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever,
whose dominion is an everlasting dominion,
and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Da:4:35:
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing:
and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven,
and among the inhabitants of the earth:
and none can stay his hand,
or say unto him,
What doest thou?
Da:4:36:
At the same time my reason returned unto me;
and for the glory of my kingdom,
mine honour and brightness returned unto me;
and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me;
and I was established in my kingdom,
and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Da:4:37:
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven,
all whose works are truth,
and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

The silver represents two kings. That was the point I wanted to bring up. This also means the brass can have more than one human king. Like 4 kings before the brass is finished. Alex was the first and his ‘influence’ was the greatest on the region, Rome and Greece share some history. I read some very detailed (historically correct) about who the two kings in ch 11 are (north and south). These come before Rome. If brass is 4 kings these could be the 2nd and 3rd kings (who are not covered in Daniel);

Da:8:8:
Therefore the he goat waxed very great:
and when he was strong,
the great horn was broken;
and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
Da:8:9:
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.

If one king goes south and another king goes east they are going to be north and south of each other if you draw a north/south line through Israel. That would result in ‘little horn’ controlling the Holy land at the end of the brass. Did Rome fulfill what the little horn is said to do?


So, the second you use the Beasts to deal with the Statue you miss the point entirely.

It’s only really important to determine which is Satan and which is the False Prophet. The horn that ‘takes over’ 3 of the 10 men that are given kingships originally handed out to the 10 men;

Re:13:12:
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was healed.

A small ‘war’ within the loyal of Satan. The army of 200,000 mil might play a part in this.
This is the False Prophet after the small war, 7 men not 10 men that control what the 10 originally did.

Re:17:3:
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.

[CoreIssue]

Hi Core,


Quote:
First. the Beasts are a separate presentation with a separate purpose from the Statue.
If they provide the link to the kingdoms they have importance.
Hi MHz,

But not the importance and meaning you are assigning.

The are deliberately in harmony with the presentation of John to clarify the heads, crowns and body.

You loose that clarity when you try to use one to define the other as regards understanding Revelation.
Daniel couldn’t be shown (tell us would even more accurate)
It is very clear in regards to Revelation when maintained in context.

You change the context.

Yes, there is other information that gives clarity in other ways there. For sure.

But not as regards the AC Beast of Revelation. Or the Dragon when he is shown with the heads and such.
Was what was held back revealed in a later book. Like in the NT, in all or part. They are said to be the legs and feet, the 4th, brass the 3rd , silver the 2nd .
And must be read in the context of explanation following the Statue for meaning. Not the 4 Beasts.

Like using a Volvo manual to figure out a Toyota.
What is said in ch 8 is also said to be the same in the leopard, 4 horns are called kingdoms and the beast has 4 heads.
Different context and different application than the Statue.
If what is said in Daniel about the 4th kingdom is Satan during his 42 month assault.
It isn't Satan.

John defines who and what it is in terms of Daniel. And it is not Satan.
What he does in the first 5 months and then for the rest of his time with the False Prophet ‘leading the way’, wink, wink..
Has nothing to do with the Statue or Beast descriptions.

You are mixing issues.
But lets first see if Rome qualifies as being a possibility for being brass.
No. It does not. Rome is iron.

John said 5 kings who were, one that is and one that will be. Both the one who is and will be are Rome. So Rome is out for the Brass.
To do that I need to bring up some thing the silver shows and if we go that far back, might start with the head.

No. We Don't Daniel lays it out quite nicely who is who.

The silver represents two kings. That was the point I wanted to bring up. This also means the brass can have more than one human king.
No. It does not. Not for the Statue.

The leopard is not 5 kings but one king and kingdom that broke down into 4.

But the four are not included in the Statue. You cannot interject into the Statue what is not included in the Statue.
Like 4 kings before the brass is finished.
Beasts, not Statue issue.
Alex was the first and his ‘influence’ was the greatest on the region,
And the only one in the Statue for brass.
Rome and Greece share some history.
Yes.
I read some very detailed (historically correct) about who the two kings in ch 11 are (north and south). These come before Rome. If brass is 4 kings these could be the 2nd and 3rd kings (who are not covered in Daniel);
Stick with what is said in the Statue. Don't go adding and assuming.
Da:8:8:
Not relevant to the Statue.


Quote:
So, the second you use the Beasts to deal with the Statue you miss the point entirely.
It’s only really important to determine which is Satan and which is the False Prophet. The horn that ‘takes over’ 3 of the 10 men that are given kingships originally handed out to the 10 men;

No. It has no impact at all.

Satan is not a kingdom. Satan is not a Beast. He is the Dragon.

So there is nothing resolve about the beasts here as regards Satan.
Re:13:12:
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was healed.
False Prophet.

A small ‘war’ within the loyal of Satan. The army of 200,000 mil might play a part in this.
This is the False Prophet after the small war, 7 men not 10 men that control what the 10 originally did.
The False Prophet is not a nation. Satan is not a nation. The AC is not a nation.

Re:17:3:
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.
Rome.

Rome is the City on 7 Hills.

[MHz]

Hi Core,
The issue is Mystery Babylon. You included a lot of things that have nothing to do with Mystery Babylon.

Let me present more on where Rome fits in first, then I’ll cover Satan & Co. Since they are Babylon.

The Statue is Mystery Babylon. The 7 kings are there in the statue. The Ten Kingdoms are in the Toes.

One in the head of gold, there is no gold mentioned in the 1st beast of Revelations.
Two in the silver, Media and Persia.
Four in the brass, starting with Grecia.
Two in the legs and feet.

For a total of 9 kings. Neb isn’t counted in Revelations(no gold), there are 8. The one ‘that is’ (6th) is Rome. Rome and Grecia are not diverse from one another.
Satan and the False Prophet are about as diverse from them as you can get.

And where do you find 7 and 10? The Beast of Revelation. His heads and crowns. You do not find all those other kingdoms and kings you tried to bring in her at all.

1st beast of Revelations gives power to 10 men who receive kingdoms, but they are still under the authority of the beast (and indirectly Satan)

And where do you find the Beasts with John? The body of the Beast. And again not all the kings you tried to bring in but the key kings and kingdoms again.

Re:13:2:
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power,
and his seat,
and great authority.

The lion, bear and leopard are covered in Daniel, these are past that is why Revelations doesn't cover them;

Da:7:4:
The first was like a lion,
and had eagle's wings:
I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked,
and it was lifted up from the earth,
and made stand upon the feet as a man,
and a man's heart was given to it.
Da:7:5:
And behold another beast,
a second,
like to a bear,
and it raised up itself on one side,
and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it:
and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Da:7:6:
After this I beheld,
and lo another,
like a leopard,
which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;
the beast had also four heads;
and dominion was given to it.

This covers the gold, silver and the brass in the statue.

So, going that route, you totally miss what John is saying.

Head is two kings of Babylon.
Arms are Medo Persia and its two kings.
Belly is Greece and Alexander the Great, who is the king that was, is not and will be.
Legs is the two Romes.
Ten Toes are the Ten Crowns on the 7 heads.
So, a direct correlation between the 7 kings and Ten Toes of the Statue and the 7 heads and 10 crowns of the Beast of Revelation. Which John uses to tell us who the AC demon is. From Greece and Alexander the Great. And tells us what kingdom he will possess. The restored Roman Empire from the Ten Toes (EU)

It doesn’t represent just Rome, it represents from Neb on. The head was a single king “thou art this head of gold” was said to Neb. The fourth beast is the one that gets sent to the Lake. At one time a Heavenly creature. The beast that was (pre-Noah’s flood time, violence filled the earth), is not (in the pit currently), will be (active again for Satan’s 42 months).


In the Statue the brass is only one king and one kingdom. That is in chapter 3 with Daniel explaining after. Not 4 kings for the Brass.
Again, you are erring to use the explanation of the 4 beasts to explain the Statue. Daniel did not do that.
I used the verses about the ram and the goat also. It says there is more than one king(vs:21),

Da:8:20:
The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Da:8:21:
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia:
and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

Da:8:22:
Now that being broken,
whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.

The last one of this 4 (above) has some verses about it, and then;

Da:8:23:
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.

Satan is more qualified than ancient Rome to fit the words in the last verse as to who is king.

The iron kingdom is Rome. And it shattered into the Ten Toes that will reform as the kingdom of the AC.

Da:7:23: Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

The fourth is the iron, Right? A reformed Rome is not diverse (from all the rest), diverse means different to a large degree, something different than the previous kingdoms.

The AC is stated to rise out of the Ten Toes.

Yes, he subdues 3 of the 10 that originally are given power after one hour with the beast.

It states the AC will rise out of Greece, which I fully agree with.

The 10 do not have any kingdom before they are given kingdoms, this rules out any existing country, he could be from anywhere on Earth.

It does not say Greece continues on until Christ.
It says the brass (which includes more than one king) will continue until the fourth, Rome was not destroyed by Christ, Satan’s system is totally destroyed by Christ;

Da:8:22:
Now that being broken,
whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.
Da:8:23:
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.
Da:8:24:
And his power shall be mighty,
but not by his own power:
and he shall destroy wonderfully,
and shall prosper,
and practise,
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Da:8:25:
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand;
and he shall magnify himself in his heart,
and by peace shall destroy many:
he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes;
but he shall be broken without hand.

The Statue establishes the Mystery Babylon Kingdom rising out of the Ten Toes. The Beasts establish the AC rising out of Greece.

The brass is said to have dominion over all the earth;

Da:2:39: And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

The 4th rises up against the realm of Grecia (all the kings of the brass);

Da:11:2:
And now will I shew thee the truth.
Behold,
there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia;
and the fourth shall be far richer than they all:
and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

This would be like turning on your own.

Again, you cannot use the beasts to define the Statue. Each is defined separately for good reason.

Daniel certainly did this.

You mix together the Statue and the Beasts, which is an error.

This would put Daniel in error, and he isn’t in error.

And Revelation has 21 parts, not 7.

The statue in Daniel seen as a whole covers 4 separate kingdoms from Neb’s time until Christ’s second coming. In later chapters Daniel gets a closer look at each of these 4 kingdoms. He tells us that the silver has two kings, the brass has 4 kings and that the iron has two. Not counting Neb that is 2 + 4 + 2 = 8, Revelations details only the last two, 7th and 8th;

Re:17:10: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Re:17:11: And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The one that is is the last one in the brass (Da:8:22: & from 23 ‘And in the latter time of their kingdom’)

Both say a 7 year Trib. Both agree on sequence and content.

the 7th King is the last king of Rome. They 8th is the king who was, is not and will bel.

Satan is not a kingdom. The False Prophet is never a king.

Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if He would bow down to him, he certainly is under the impression that these are his to give. It says the man of sin will sit on a throne, declairing himself to be God is the same as saying he is king over all the earth.

M't:4:8:
Again,
the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain,
and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world,
and the glory of them;
M't:4:9:
And saith unto him,
All these things will I give thee,
if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

2Th:2:3:
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
2Th:2:4:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.

7 Seals followed by 7 Trumpets followed by 7 Bowl followed by the Second Coming.

Skipped for the moment

The First Seal is the AC, who comes to conquer with peace, as the one kicking off the 70th Week of Daniel with his peace treaty. Same Mid description and at the end of the 7 years the same destruction.

The AC is the beast from the pit, right, how does he get out of the pit to make a deal without starting Satan’s time. Satan’s time starts right when he is cast to earth?

Jerusalem has no place in the Statue or the Beasts. Mystery Babylon is Rome as defined in the Statue and by John.

Da:2:34:
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands,
which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay,
and brake them to pieces.

If these unholy ones are in the holy land when this stone is cast down that is where it will land.

Re:18:21:
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone,
and cast it into the sea,
saying,
Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down,
and shall be found no more at all.

The are deliberately in harmony with the presentation of John to clarify the heads, crowns and body.

This would seem to be a good thing, right?

You loose that clarity when you try to use one to define the other as regards understanding Revelation.

Not if the 4th in the statue is Satan.

But not as regards the AC Beast of Revelation. Or the Dragon when he is shown with the heads and such.

If you read all the verses from Daniel that just deal with the 4th kingdom (that the statue represents) you will find they fit in very well with what is said about the 7th and 8th kingdoms in Revelations.

Like using a Volvo manual to figure out a Toyota.

LOL, it didn’t take long to find that the engine is under the hood of the Volvo (from the manual), lo and behold it is in the same place when I lift the hood of a Toyota and find it has a dipstick used to check oil-level, just like the dipstick in the Volvo manual.

And the only one in the Statue for brass.
It says first, that in itself says there is more than 1.

Satan is not a kingdom. Satan is not a Beast. He is the Dragon.
Not bowing before him will result in that person being killed, he is certainly acting like a king, the 10 he sets as kings worship him that puts these 10 in service to him.

Re:13:12:
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was healed.

False Prophet.

If nothing else is accomplished here can we refer to these as Satan, the beast and the false prophet. The false prophet is a man, the beast is not a man, the false prophet is the one who is given the 3 kingdoms that are plucked up, that is when he comes on the scene.

The False Prophet is not a nation. Satan is not a nation. The AC is not a nation.
The false prophet controls 3 kingdoms (out of the 10 original that cover the whole earth)
Satan is king over the whole earth, the 10 kings are under him.
The beast represents Satan’s power.


Rome is the City on 7 Hills.

It means Babylon is based on 7 kingdoms, but if you insist on it being physical mountains.
Please remember I am only saying this ground is Babylon after the unholies have taken the ground, after the two witnesses die,
1.) Mount Gared; 2.) Mount Goath; 3.) Mount Acra; 4.) Mount Bezetha; 5.) Mount Moriah; 6.) Mount Ophel; 7.) Mount Zion. Sometimes, some will substitute the first four with the Mount of Olives, Mount of Offence, Mount of Evil Counsel, and Mount Calvary.

Re:17:9: And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Re:17:10: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Re:17:11: And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Satan is active on earth before the beast, he opens the pit that releases the beast. This is the leg of iron in Daniel and it has a short span, not a description that could be Rome as it lasted for quite some time.

Later

[CoreIssue]

MHz, your posts are too long to reply to even with a 1 hour time allowance.

The AC Beast's body is not based on the Statue, but the 4 Beasts. And is most assurely in Revelation as the Lion.

You skipped over this part of Daniel which refutes your claim Greece, the 3rd Beast, last until the Trib.


Daniel 8
23 "He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=dan%207;&version=31;#fen-NIV-21959a)]


Clearly says the 4th Beast collapses into the Ten Toes with another kingdom following and arising for the Ten.

Rome did follow Greece, did fall into Ten Toes and is recombining now as the EU to form the Roman Empire lands.

The AC does arise out the of the Ten and the Ten do gain power for the sole purpose of turning it over to the AC.

And I believe the AC is already in existence with his demon. Thus why no mention of the AC demon rising. Already there.

No, the AC demon does not rise from the Pit at Mid. The FP demon rises. No, Satan is not on the earth from the beginning and will enter the Statue at Mid.

Read the 6th Bowl States the False Trinity is indwelt by evil spirits. AC by the demon of Alexader, FP by the one rising at Mid and Satan is in the statue called the dragon (not Dragon.)

Daniel did not present all the issues as a totality throughout Daniel. The Statue, Beasts and 70th Week are presented separately and John addressed them separately.

Body of the AC Beast correlated to the 4 Beasts. Heads and Crown to the Statue and the First Seal to the Second Coming the 70th Week of Daniel.

Very clearn.

You have no justification grammatically or otherwise to merge them. And you sure don't have any justification for Beasts representing earthly kings and kingdoms to be turned into Satan.

Yep. Demons and Satan are behind many things. But that does not allow for replacing statements about humans with them.

You are disregarding history and clear declarations to attempt to redefine the 4th Beast.

Just as you disregard the meaning of cut off being Christ death at the end of the 69th
Week.

Way to much theory being presented by you. But no evidence to back it.

[CoreIssue]

It means Babylon is based on 7 kingdoms, but if you insist on it being physical mountains.

This one caught my eye for some reason.

That is not true, in fact. Here is the verse.


9"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings.


It does not represent 7 kingdoms. It represents the 7 kings of the Statue as shown in 4 kingdoms. That is important when determining who the 5 who were, one who is and one who will be for a short time will be.

And it does represent 7 literal hills. Rome is the City on 7 Hills. The Vatican, which is Roman become RCC with both responsible for the deaths of multitudes of saints, does sit on hills with Rome.

So this is literally Rome. The Harlot is literally the Vatican and the RCC.

The fact it says also 7 kings demands literal. What you are saying makes it a redundant statement.

[MHz]

Not much sense going over the issues not addressed, I would ask that you keep pon the back burner a few things in case I return.
The brass and the iron. The number of kings in the brass is 4, the iron has two.
The fourth beast is the first beast in Revelations.
The trumpets play out the way you have the seals play out.
The seals are the index for the things that the trumps explain in detail.
The math for the time of the 5th and 6th is there.
The setting a timeline before you have the sequence of events in order first doesn't work.
The three times given all interact.
Jerusalem has all the qualifications, but one, to be Babylon. The missing one is Satan isn't there, nor is he anyplace right now. The hardest qualification that Jerusalem fullfills is this one;

Re:18:7: How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

La:1:1: How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary!

While the RCC is not a perfect Church calling her Babylon goes past judging her leaders and falls also on the shoulders of her weakest member who could well have found favor with Christ. Her leaders have left their first love and they will have to change that before it is too late or face the consequences. Persecution of any Church isn't wise for any person;

Re:2:4:
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee,
because thou hast left thy first love.
Re:2:5:
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen,
and repent,
and do the first works;
or else I will come unto thee quickly,
and will remove thy candlestick out of his place,
except thou repent.
Re:2:6:
But this thou hast,
that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans,
which I also hate.
Re:2:7:
He that hath an ear,
let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life,
which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Later

[CoreIssue]

Hey MHz,

Not much sense going over the issues not addressed, I would ask that you keep pon the back burner a few things in case I return.
The brass and the iron. The number of kings in the brass is 4, the iron has two.
Again mixing Beasts and Statue.
The fourth beast is the first beast in Revelations.

I posted the Daniel passage denying this.
The trumpets play out the way you have the seals play out.
You stated they do not overlap. Not me. The Seals and Trumpets overlap within themselves. Only starting points are consecutive.
The seals are the index for the things that the trumps explain in detail.
No. The Seals are before the Trumpets.
The math for the time of the 5th and 6th is there.
Nope. 42 months is in the 7th Trumpet.
The setting a timeline before you have the sequence of events in order first doesn't work.
Correct. Read the Charts, both sequence and timeline.
The three times given all interact.
Jerusalem has all the qualifications, but one, to be Babylon. The missing one is Satan isn't there, nor is he anyplace right now. The hardest qualification that Jerusalem fullfills is this one;

Wrong.

Jerusalem is called Sodom and Gomorrah, not Babylon. Israel is not in the Statue. Israel is not in the Beasts.

Satan is in Heaven as the Accuser now. But the AC is here. The AC is NOT Satan.
Re:18:7: How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

La:1:1: How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary!


Is not the Harlot on 7 Hills.

You throw this out as proof in total disregard to all the other statements and such on the issue.
While the RCC is not a perfect Church calling her Babylon goes past judging her leaders and falls also on the shoulders of her weakest member who could well have found favor with Christ. Her leaders have left their first love and they will have to change that before it is too late or face the consequences. Persecution of any Church isn't wise for any person;


She is the religion of Babylon. The kings lineage of Babylon is in the Statue and the heads and crowns of the AC Beast. The national identity is in the 4 Beasts and the AC Beast's body.

You disregard all the stated issues and select one to base your doctrine on. Bad.

And quoting from the 7 churches does not change that fact.
Later

[MHz]

Hi Core;
"
Quote:
Not much sense going over the issues not addressed, I would ask that you keep pon the back burner a few things in case I return.
The brass and the iron. The number of kings in the brass is 4, the iron has two.

Again mixing Beasts and Statue."

The beasts are not even mentioned they are in a seperate chapter;
Da:8:20:
The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Da:8:21:
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia:
and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Da:8:22:
Now that being broken,
whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.
Da:8:23: And in the latter time of their kingdom.....


Da:11:2: ...and the fourth shall be far richer than they all:
and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
Da:11:3:
And a mighty king shall stand up,
that shall rule with great dominion,
and do according to his will.
Da:11:4:
And when he shall stand up,
his kingdom shall be broken,
and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven;
and not to his posterity,
nor according to his dominion which he ruled:
for his kingdom shall be plucked up,
even for others beside those.

Satan and the beast, two 'kings' rule over one kingdom.

False prophet, second kingdom, authority from the two in the first kingdom;

Da:11:21:
And in his estate shall stand up a vile person,
to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom:
but he shall come in peaceably,
and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.


"Jerusalem is called Sodom and Gomorrah, not Babylon. Israel is not in the Statue. Israel is not in the Beasts."

When did Neb rule over Rome?
When did the two kings in the silver rule over Rome?
Israel has been ruled by these three and by all the ones in the brass.

"Satan is in Heaven as the Accuser now. But the AC is here. The AC is NOT Satan."

The beast from the pit is here now? Please us the words that Scripture gives to the three that are sent to the Lake of Fire.

[CoreIssue]

Hi MHz,

It is kind of hard to follow a lot of posts without using the Quote function. I you are having problems let us know. Don't want anyone to have problems.

Satan and the beast, two 'kings' rule over one kingdom.

No. Never said. The AC is the King. Satan is in the Statue that is the image of the AC. He receives the worship in the Temple.

So one king only. The AC.

False prophet, second kingdom, authority from the two in the first kingdom;

There is no second kingdom in the Trib.

Da:11:21:
And in his estate shall stand up a vile person,
to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom:
but he shall come in peaceably,
and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Talking about the AC.

"Jerusalem is called Sodom and Gomorrah, not Babylon. Israel is not in the Statue. Israel is not in the Beasts."

When did Neb rule over Rome?
Never did and has absolutely nothing to do with the issue. The lineage of the statue is currently in the Ten Toes, the EU.
When did the two kings in the silver rule over Rome?

Has absolutely nohting to do with the issue in the Trib.

Israel has been ruled by these three and by all the ones in the brass.

Again mixing issues.

Israel is not in the Statue nor a Beast. Ruling over is a moot point.

The Statue and Beasts are Mystery Babylon. Not Israel nor any nation simply because they were ruled over.

God calls Jerusalem Sodom and Gomorrah. Never Babylon.

"Satan is in Heaven as the Accuser now. But the AC is here. The AC is NOT Satan."

The beast from the pit is here now?
You most assuredly are not listening.

The Beast from the Pit is the demon of the FP. Not AC!


Please us the words that Scripture gives to the three that are sent to the Lake of Fire.

AC and FP at the Second Coming are cast into the Pit and Hell. Satan is bound in the Pit and after the Short Time cast into the Hell with the other two.

3 perons. Not nations, or anything else.

AC is there form the First Seal with his demon, FP demons rises at Mid when Satan is cast down and enters the statue. Clearly back by the three evil spirits spoken of in the 6th Bowl.

[MHz]

Core,

Please start using the names given in Scripture, You keep changing who the AC is, now you have him on the earth right now, since we are still 'talking' you missed the rapture.


You most assuredly are not listening.
The Beast from the Pit is the demon of the FP. Not AC!

AC and FP at the Second Coming are cast into the Pit and Hell.

Tell me the above is not a contridiction, for clarities sake use the same three words that Scripture uses.

I will go back to 'proper quotes' as long as you do not start missing what is written again, I did it that way to slow down your reading, nothing else.

Beast, False Prophet, Satan, please for the 6th time.

[CoreIssue]

Please start using the names given in Scripture, You keep changing who the AC is, now you have him on the earth right now, since we are still 'talking' you missed the rapture.
I do use them.

Maybe you are misapplying meanings?

I have not changed who the AC is. The AC is sometimes called the Beast, sometimes called the First Beast, is called the 8th King, the king that was, is not and will be.

You have to remember the AC is not just a human. He is also the demon with him. They are talked about together at times and apart at times.



Quote:
You most assuredly are not listening.
The Beast from the Pit is the demon of the FP. Not AC!

AC and FP at the Second Coming are cast into the Pit and Hell.

Tell me the above is not a contridiction, for clarities sake use the same three words that Scripture uses.
It is not a contradiction. The Beast from the Pit is the Second Beast, not the First Beast who is the AC.

The Beast from the Pit is a demon. The False Prophet is a man. The demon enters the man.

The First Beast is the AC. The Second Beast is the False Prophet. The Dragon is Satan. They are some times called one and sometimes the other.

I will go back to 'proper quotes' as long as you do not start missing what is written again, I did it that way to slow down your reading, nothing else.

Beast, False Prophet, Satan, please for the 6th time.

There are TWO Beasts. So you are wrong to just say Beast as if it always means one only. The Second Beast IS the False Prophet. And Satan is also called the Dragon. The First Beast is the AC.

Your names are too narrow. And thus you end up using the Beast from the Pit to refer to the AC when it referring to the FP.

The demon of the AC was with him from the beginning of the Trib. The FP does not get his demon Beast until Mid.

Two Beasts and two men.

[CoreIssue]

Let us go back to this one. I would like to see how you can maintain the 4 Beast is future in direct contradiction to this.

Daniel 8
23 "He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=dan%207;&version=31;#fen-NIV-21959a)]


It states the Ten Toe Kingdoms come after the 4th Beast.

That is historical fact. The Roman Empire followed Greece and then broke apart into Ten Nations.

After will come another king. The AC/8th King/First Beast.

You say the 4th is the Trib Kingdom. This denies that.

The Roman Empire fell into the Ten. The Ten are reforming via the EU. The AC will rise out of them and create his Empire from them. Just as prophesied.

This says you are wrong and you just skip over it.

It is full agreement with the Statue and Daniel's and John's explanations about it.

[MHz]

Going over this again will not sway you, here is an article that seems to say the same thing I'm trying to explain, maybe his style of writing will be clearer on this subject. I only just found this so it wasn't reference material for my view and I only went over it quickly. You know I don't usually provide links, but please for both our sakes give it a quick read.

http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/beast.htm

[CoreIssue]

Going over this again will not sway you, here is an article that seems to say the same thing I'm trying to explain, maybe his style of writing will be clearer on this subject. I only just found this so it wasn't reference material for my view and I only went over it quickly. You know I don't usually provide links, but please for both our sakes give it a quick read.

I will read it now.

But you cannot go over again what you have yet to address.

That passage says the 4th Beast is not still in existence. And is not the Beast of Revelation.

How about addressing that passage directly for what it says while I read.

[CoreIssue]

There are three seven-headed, ten-horned beasts mentioned in the book of Revelation (Rev. 12:3; 13:1; 17:3).

His first sentence is wrong. Not encouraging.


3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.

Dragon. Not Beast. Satan.

Revelation 13

1And the dragon[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2013:1;&version=31;#fen-NIV-30894a)] stood on the shore of the sea.
Satan again.


Revelation 17:3
3Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.


This is the AC. Not Satan.

Reading down you find this is the AC. Was, is not and will be.

I repeat. Not Satan.

8 The beast that you saw was, and is not [ouk estin], and is about to come up out of the Abyss and go to destruction
And that is false.

It does not say when this beast comes out of the Pit. And it most assuredly is not the Beast that comes out of the Pit at Mid.


The king or ruler over these released evil spirits is known as Abaddon/Apollyon (Rev. 9:11); both these names mean "Destroyer." For additional information on this powerful angel and his activities in the end-time, see my article "Who Is The 'Destroyer'? (http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/abaddon.htm)."


Satan does not rise out of the Pit. He is cast down at Mid. And he opens the Pit which allows the False Prophet Beast to ascend.

Thus two evil spirit come upon the earth at Mid in the 5th and 6th Trumpets. But three are not mentioned as coming in Trib. Only two are. The demon of the False Prophet and Satan cast down.

Now go back to the Beast who was to soon rise out of the Pit. That of the AC.

Note it says soon? Nothing soon about Satan cast down and the Beast of the Pit rising.

For all to appear in the Trib Satan would have to be cast down and TWO would have to rise from the Pit at Mid. But only ONE does.

His nations are wrong. It does not mate up with the Statue or the Beasts. He is confusing kings with kingdoms per the Beasts and Statues.

But he agrees Rome is the 4th Beast.

Then goes wrong in the Toes.

And when he goes whacky with the Lion being the US and Britain all credibility goes out the window for him.

His doctrine is totally erroneous.

Now look at the actual Three shown in Revelation.

Dragon, First Beast and Second Beast. Satan, AC and FP.

Just read Revelation 13.

First Beast has the 7 heads and ten horns. Second does not.

Now, try to get all the Beast references connected to the correct beasts.

And try see the Second Beast rises from the Pit at Mid.

The First Beast Demon arose soon according to John. Meaning before the Trib.

[MHz]

I will read it now.

But you cannot go over again what you have yet to address.

That passage says the 4th Beast is not still in existence. And is not the Beast of Revelation.

How about addressing that passage directly for what it says while I read.

Look at the end of post #1

[CoreIssue]

Look at the end of post #1

And still completely wrong.

As if glossing over the statement with long winded presentations changes the meaning of the passage.

It STATES the 4th Beast has come and gone. That Ten stand now where the 4th use to be. And out of the Ten the AC will rise and would be his Trib Empire.

Rome. Rome was the 4th. Contained the king that was at the time of John. And the short time king after. Then collapsed into the Ten and is now reforming as the EU.

Exactly what the Statues shows, as in collapsing into Ten. Exactly what John says regarding the Ten Crowns who are the Ten Toes of the Statue.

All you do is lapse back to a doctrinal claim making Satan the 4th Beast. Does not hold water.

Your violation of grammar defeats your reasoning.

Now, look at the Beasts and Satan via Revelation.

Satan, the Dragon is shown with Ten Heads and Ten Crowns (Rev 12:3). He is the evil spirit driving those kings.

The AC is shown with Ten Heads and Ten Crowns (Rev 13:1). He is the human side of the kings equation.

The FP does not have Ten Heads and Ten Crowns (Rev 13:11). He is the religious side of the godkings. He is the Pontificus Maximus of the Pagen Rome. Exactly fulfilling the duties they did. He is not a king (Rev 13:12).

One Dragon and Two Beasts. Not Dragon and One Beast. Not two kingdoms, but one kingdom with a king, an evil spirit with the king and his high priest.

The AC First Beast rules the Kingdom of Mystery Babylon as shown by the 4 Beasts (Rev 13:2). He is the godking and worshipped (Rev 13:8).

The Dragon is worshipped because of his giving such power to the AC (Rev 13:3).

Together they are the False Trinity. There is one AC Kingdom, one King, one High Priest and one supreme god Dragon.

The AC demon came out of the Pit some time past. It is not the FP Beast but the AC Beast. It has 7 heads and Ten Horns.


Revelation 17
8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.

There is no mention of this Beast rising during the Trib because it was in the AC before the Trib begins. How else could the Treaty and the signs and wonder of the first half of the Trib have occurred?

And the AC Beast rises out of the People in the Trib. Not the earth. So already there.
Revelation 17
And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.
The FP demon arises at Mid Trib.

Revelation 17
11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.

Finally, Satan is cast down at Mid in the 5th Trumpet as the First Woe.

The FP is the Second Woe and the empowering of the False Trinity is the 3rd Woe.

Now to confirm there is a False Trinity with 3 evil spirits.


Revelation 16
13Then I saw three evil[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=16&version=31&context=chapter#fen-NIV-30952a)] spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The dragon is the Dragon Satan in the AC Statue, the Beast is the AC and the FP the FP.

Three evil spirits. Satan cast down and the FP demon rising at Mid. No mention of the AC demon rising but John tells us it is there.

All your grammatical violations do is cause confusion and erroneous conclusions.

[MHz]

Finally, Satan is cast down at Mid in the 5th Trumpet as the First Woe.
You have the mid at the end of the seals and then jump right to the 5th trump, what's up with that?

[CoreIssue]

Quote:
Finally, Satan is cast down at Mid in the 5th Trumpet as the First Woe.
You have the mid at the end of the seals and then jump right to the 5th trump, what's up with that?

You again are not paying attention.

Seals end Day 1,260.

ALL 7 Trumpets sound Day 1,261. I have said that multiple times over various discussions.

All one after the others with no demand each completes before the next begins.

Then the Bowls begin and function throughout Satan's 42 months of empowering the AC.

[MHz]

Core my beloved friend, was the beast that will be around in the future around before the flood in Noah's time?

[CoreIssue]

Core my beloved friend, was the beast that will be around in the future around before the flood in Noah's time?
Not in the flesh sense. Yes in the spirit sense. A demon, not Satan.

The demon is not the spirit of the Beast. He indwells the fully human Beast. The Beast has a fully human spirit of his own.

Satan is neither the first or second beast. He is the Dragon. There are two beasts and one Dragon in the False Trinity.

[MHz]

Not in the flesh sense. Yes in the spirit sense. A demon, not Satan.

The demon is not the spirit of the Beast. He indwells the fully human Beast. The Beast has a fully human spirit of his own.

Satan is neither the first or second beast. He is the Dragon. There are two beasts and one Dragon in the False Trinity.
Hi Core,
The three that will see the Lake of Fire are the Beast, the False Prophet and Satan (at a later time). The False Prophet is from mankind, for the Beast to be from man if he comes from the pit then he has to be resurrected, Satan releases this Beast, Satan cannot resurrect anybody, God never gave him that kind of power.

[CoreIssue]

Hi Core,
The three that will see the Lake of Fire are the Beast, the False Prophet and Satan (at a later time). The False Prophet is from mankind, for the Beast to be from man if he comes from the pit then he has to be resurrected, Satan releases this Beast, Satan cannot resurrect anybody, God never gave him that kind of power.
Hi, MHz,

There are TWO beasts and ONE dragon.

The First Beast is the AC and his demon is with him from the beginning of the Trib.

The Second Beast is the False Prophet. His demon rises at Mid Trib. He is most assuredly a human with demon.

Satan is an evil spirit in and of himself.

This is plainly stated here:

Revelation 13
1And the dragon[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=13&version=31#fen-NIV-30894a)] stood on the shore of the sea.

Dragon, not Beast. Satan.
And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 4Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"

5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 6He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=13&version=31#fen-NIV-30901b)] 9He who has an ear, let him hear.
10If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=13&version=31#fen-NIV-30903c)] with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

The First Beast. The Anti-Christ.

A human with the demon of the King who was, is not, and will be.

11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

The Second Beast. The False Pophet is very plainly called the Second Beast.

He kills the Two Witnesses, seemingly brings the dragon statue to life, but it is really the Dragon entering it and forces the world to either take the Mark of the First Beast or die.

It clearly says two beasts. And the FP is the Second Beast.

One Dragon and two Beasts.

And note the last verse. The False Prophet is a man.

Satan, the Dragon, enters the statue, the dragon. The Beast of the AC is in the man AC. The beast of the FP is in the man FP.

This is also stated quite clearly, that there are three bodies with three evil spirits in them.

Revelation 16
12The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13Then I saw three evil[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2016;&version=31;#fen-NIV-30952a)] spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

Clearly shown the False Prophet and the AC are men with demons in them.

The dragon is the Dragon in the statue the FP seemingly brings to life in the 7th Trumpet, 3rd Woe, at Mid.

The AC is not resurrected. He is alive now. He is will do the treaty that opens the Trib at the Pre-Trib resurrection beginning the 7 years.

The AC, per Daniel is there the full 7 years, not 3.5. He is the ruler of restored Roman Empire that invades Israel at Mid and conducts war prior to Mid.

No one bound for the Great White Throne Judgement resurrects until after the end of time.

It really is very clearly said, MHz.