Bible prophecy

[CTZonEdit]

How do you view the bible?

[TLIR]

Through the eyes of faith.
It reflects the condition of my heart.
Sometimes what I see is beautiful and sometimes I see things that are ugly and need attention.
I'm glad the Father see's me through the blood.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Relevant, and life giving. Prophecy shows us a glimpse of what God says WILL BE, and the reasons WHY it will be that way. It is important for me to know the WHY's of scripture. When reading prophecy in Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, etc., I don't always understand everything I read, but then I start paying attention for the reasons why these things will come about, and it helps me grow by leaps and bounds because it gives me a solid foundation of what my Heavenly Father thinks, feels, and cares about.

Instead of just reading that a nation is being judged, I pay attention to the reason WHY it is being judged... it's very enlightening.

Back to the main point... it's not only relevant, it's holy, infallible, and TRUE.

[CoreIssue]

If the Bible is irrelevant then so is God and Christ.:freak:

[TLIR]

If the Bible is irrelevant then so is God and Christ.:freak:

Core,
You look kinda bugged out bubba!:yowza:

[CoreIssue]

Just a shocking thought

[Brandli5]

The bible's words are coming true as we speak. There's nothing false about it.

If the bible is not truth to someone, they need to learn to read, man who could ever think its not truth? :pray: Pray that they see the light.

[lighthousebeacon]

Brandi-u r so right-on, the DaVinci code has gotten out of hand!-it gives the non-believer even more reason to pick on christians & I don't need that at my workplace(which 70% dont go to church):(

[kay-gee]

Through the eyes of faith.
It reflects the condition of my heart.
Sometimes what I see is beautiful and sometimes I see things that are ugly and need attention.
I'm glad the Father see's me through the blood.
the bible is a great mirror in which we are able to see are very souls. Have you ever noticed that there is at least one biblical character who is YOU to a "T". Study it daily to see how GOD can shape you into what HE wants you to be.

[CoreIssue]

Through the eyes of faith.
It reflects the condition of my heart.
Sometimes what I see is beautiful and sometimes I see things that are ugly and need attention.
I'm glad the Father see's me through the blood.
the bible is a great mirror in which we are able to see are very souls. Have you ever noticed that there is at least one biblical character who is YOU to a "T". Study it daily to see how GOD can shape you into what HE wants you to be.
My sig line agrees with that statement! :D

[DaimyoMateo]

Bible is a bunch of books with some interesting characters and some not so interesting. Alot of other books are worse but some are better read.

[Street Sweeper]

Great topic. I'd love to contribute .... eventually!:(

[DaimyoMateo]

how do you vote? I don't remember any vote on this.

[CoreIssue]

how do you vote? I don't remember any vote on this.
If you see the vote screen, you have not voted.

If you see the results, you have.

[a.baker]

This is how I veiw the bible. Revelation 22:7 "Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book."
Its truth and nothing but. All we ever need to know or worry about is in this book! The upright hold the bible close to their hearts and nothing else. We live accordingly to His word in the bible and not mans. We take to heart everything that is in the bible with our minds, hearts, mouths, ears, hands, and soul. Its not just for reading; we simply live it.

[InTheWind]

And nothing shall be added or removed from the book, funny how many are doing that nowdays.:swoon:

[a.baker]

Yes people are! It says that if they do they will endure in plagues and such.

[soweroftruth]

the bible ?wow! this collection of script that i believe . i dont have enough time to spell out (or the typing knowhow ) to finish saying what it means to me. in short it tells me all that my GOD YHWH "has a plan and i am a part of it ,and that my birth is the part of a plan "already in motion" ,to bring the world to the saving blood of YESHUA (jesus) it is not a book to control us or scare us to either do what the church (fallen) teaches or else .,but that we can know that we arn't good enough to EARN it only recieve it thank you Jesus.

[kay-gee]

One faulty thing in your statement. In Matthew 16:18, the Lord says He will build a church that even Hell itself can not prevail against, and yet you claim it has "fallen". If He was wrong on a single statement, then His whole mission has to be held suspect doesn't it. Think about it.
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

One faulty thing in your statement. In Matthew 16:18, the Lord says He will build a church that even Hell itself can not prevail against, and yet you claim it has "fallen". If He was wrong on a single statement, then His whole mission has to be held suspect doesn't it. Think about it.
all the best...
No. You need to think about it. You are spinning it to mean on this earth.

The Church is Eternal, as is Israel. Neither will fall in that frame of reference.

But, on this earth it states the Church will fall into Apostacy and be of little strength before the Trib.


Revelation 3
I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.

And the majority will be not of Christ in truth, only in name.
15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
And that at the time of these two Church facts, there will be a apostacy.

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I find it fascinating, KG, that you espouse personal opinion over literal reading and study. Then fight so hard to try to disprove, discourage and reject postings by those who have done the study.

Personal opinion and feelings over literal facts. Hmmmm.

[kay-gee]

Oh don't worry I've studied Matt 16:18. How will the church even make it to the beginning of eternity if it falls apart and out of existence in this world?

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Oh don't worry I've studied Matt 16:18. How will the church even make it to the beginning of eternity if it falls apart and out of existence in this world?

all the best...
Where does it say the Church has to be added to until Eternity begins? Your adding to the words said.

There is no earthly Church during the Trib or MK.

It says Hell will not prevail against it and it does not. Nothing said about how long the Church will be added to.

The Church never looses a member added to it, so it will last for Eternity, but the numbers will not be continually added to.

Bible says a lot more on the subject than one verse.

[soweroftruth]

One faulty thing in your statement. In Matthew 16:18, the Lord says He will build a church that even Hell itself can not prevail against, and yet you claim it has "fallen". If He was wrong on a single statement, then His whole mission has to be held suspect doesn't it. Think about it.
all the best...
thank you for the reply, i claim only what ive observed in the body of believers in the usa according to the words of the holy spirit in 2 thes around the third verse "ther comes agreat falling away first ", this falling in its truth is "the dirverson of truth", inthe greek tex look at the history of the body of believers the church was strong in the ifluence the the way things went according to law in the usa god was in all forms of goverment and seculer and homes,over time because of the youkes the sunday school teachers,pastorals and others have preached to people seeking god . new believers as well as old live in condemnation because they cant posably live according to the law ,is smoking a sin? if it is then we are under law not grace .is drinking a sin ? if it is the we are under law and not grace,these are only 2 things out of thousands ive heard preached overthe years and they who do " probably arent saved" this is the gosple that saves the death burial and reserection of christ jesus. now by combining the law with grace unbelievers who see us act in a "unholy way according to the rules we place on believers" it has weaken the power of the church and sin"(which is only the disbelief in the christ") has abound and all other regulions are influencing man this goes for darwinism,ufos,aithism.... and with these false religuions domanationing the lawlessone can induce people to believe his lie, its heart breaking but it is happening. " they " meaning us "will have aform of godlyness but lack the power ther of".

[DON]

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[Nik]

Wow. Everyone is so united here. Feels like home.:):

[CoreIssue]

Wow. Everyone is so united here. Feels like home.:):
Then welcome home! :tiphat:

[kay-gee]

Not always all that united. But yeah, your point is duly noted. The funamentalists seem to have a real hard time understanding the "Progressive Conservatives".

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Not always all that united. But yeah, your point is duly noted. The funamentalists seem to have a real hard time understanding the "Progressive Conservatives".

all the best...
Well, we are not fundamentalists to start with, by secular usage. We are Biblical literalists and not entrenched in denominational doctrines as are fundamentalists.

And progressive conservative is an oxymoron by secular meaning as well. Progressives are not conservative.

Like an old debate I had where one's group label was Humanistic Christian. Posting the definitions of those words killed THAT debate! :tiphat:

[kay-gee]

So being conservative then, means you must remain regressive and unable to strive ahead for creative solutions to age old problems? sad

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

So being conservative then, means you must remain regressive and unable to strive ahead for creative solutions to age old problems? sad

all the best...
That is a load, KG. Liberal propaganda.

When 'progress' abandons morality for situational ethics that is not progress. It is collapse.

Ethanol, in example, is a fool's game. It causes more damage than it does good. But when conservatives point that out it is not being 'progressive.'

Universal health care is 'progressive.' But EVERYWHERE that has been moved to they are having to retreat. It doesn't work for a number of reasons.

Liberals instituted the laws that say stupid things like taking meds that have negative reactions to, say, 3% of the users allows them to sue for millions. That hurts millions of others by driving med costs to a level they cannot get their meds. Conservatives say be advised of the risk and if you fall into the 3% you assumed the risk.

Try to help the 3%? Absolutely!! But don't take away access to medical for millions of others.

Drug addiction is a disease which employers and society must pay for treatment. Garbage. Another issue of personal responsibility.

The list goes on.

Now, where do the true solutions lie? Government can buy meds in massive bulk and provide them to society at hugely reduced costs. Currently illegal under liberal government. Why? Liberal politicians get millions for lawyer lobbies.

How about inertia engines? Why are the liberals not pushing an known and successful engine? Or magnet driven engines? Why not there? Low profit margin thus low tax collections etc.

Who are the richest people in the world? Liberal? Check it out. Microsoft and tons like that are owned by liberals.

What makes you think convervatives are all under one definition? They are not. I am a Moral Conservative, not an economic conservative. Bush is a Fiscal Conservative, which often dumps the moral part.

Who has gotten the US into more undeclared wars? Liberals. Once in who got more people killed than should have been? Liberals.

McCain is not a conservative. Nor was Bush in my book.

My point is you have bitten into the whole Conservative/Liberal definitions and biases as thrown out their by politicians.

There are not just two groups in the world. Far from it.

[Eutychus]

The Bible is conclusive but not exhaustive.
It was not meant to be read like a newspaper, God will reveal answers to those who trust in Him, not to sceptics looking to find fault with it.
It is His spiritually discerned, and nonsense to the unbeliever unless by intervention of the Holy Spirit.
Gods owners manual for the human being.

[CoreIssue]

The Bible is conclusive but not exhaustive.
It was not meant to be read like a newspaper, God will reveal answers to those who trust in Him, not to sceptics looking to find fault with it.
It is His spiritually discerned, and nonsense to the unbeliever unless by intervention of the Holy Spirit.
Gods owners manual for the human being.
I agree as long as it is understood nothing will be revealed that is beyond the scope of what the Bible reveals. As in, added details of understanding but nothing brand new on a Biblical scale, as several denominations attempt to claim.

[Eutychus]

I am totally for Exogesis, and extremely sceptical about Isogesis.
Don't get me started on the wackiness that has come from Isogesis.
Sola Scriptura

[CoreIssue]

I am totally for Exogesis, and extremely sceptical about Isogesis.
Don't get me started on the wackiness that has come from Isogesis.
Sola Scriptura
:thumbup2:

[kay-gee]

Huh?

all the best...

[Willy]

I am totally for Exogesis, and extremely sceptical about Isogesis.
Don't get me started on the wackiness that has come from Isogesis.
Sola Scriptura

Eutychus ... Welcome back from the dead!!! Stay out of those third floor windows!!;)

[garrettspaint@yahoo.com]

Do you ever feel like you are living in the dark ages? Have you ever questioned (not your faith) christianity? I have. My grandfather is a minister, and my aunt is a nun, so I grew up in church. But then I started asking questions, and doing my own research. What I found out was amazing. I realized that all war is caused by differences in religious beliefs. The reason man will destroy himself, is because of religion, not because of any real reason, just because of scripture written thousands of years ago.

[CoreIssue]

Do you ever feel like you are living in the dark ages? Have you ever questioned (not your faith) christianity? I have. My grandfather is a minister, and my aunt is a nun, so I grew up in church. But then I started asking questions, and doing my own research. What I found out was amazing. I realized that all war is caused by differences in religious beliefs. The reason man will destroy himself, is because of religion, not because of any real reason, just because of scripture written thousands of years ago.
Well, I can understand that feeling coming from one in Catholicism because that is not Biblical teaching. Plus the RCC is largely responsible for the Dark Ages.

Nor does Catholicism hold the Bible in esteem. It holds man made creations as higher in importance.

Indeed many wars are caused by religious differences, including the religion of Atheism and Humanism.

Think about it. Satan and human rebellion is responsible for false religion because they cannot hand the truth and don't like the real God. So do you really expect them to love those who have the true God?

There is a truth, not many. Not all religions are equal. That is simple a fact.

[garrettspaint@yahoo.com]

This is the scariest conversation I have ever seen!

Imagine there no religion. We could actually have peace on earth!

Thank god we have scripture, so we can justify our own destruction.

[CoreIssue]

This is the scariest conversation I have ever seen!

Imagine there no religion. We could actually have peace on earth!

Thank god we have scripture, so we can justify our own destruction.
Well, you have a problem. By definition everyone has a religion and god.

So, you are out of luck with that humanistic argument.

[Eutychus]

Core Issue is right - by dictionary definition everyone has a religion.
The Humanist Manafest actually declares Humanism to be a religion.
Without a beief system there would be no rational cognitive thought;
some would rather use the term World View in that context.
The scripture is the only belief system directive given by God, and although I misspelled it in an earlier post the problem with the mistakes in
Biblical thinking is most often with Eisegesis (reading content into the Bible message),Exegesis (the determining of the meaning of scripture)or disreguarding scripture altogether. And I must define scripture as the Holy Bible. Other people call there writings scripture.
The founding fathers of this country used the term religion continuously,
and it was understood that the meaniong of that word in America meant Christianity and with some Deism unless otherwise specifically defined.
The dark ages were a result of a Theocracy (the Roman Catholic Church)
which held traditions equal with the Bible and the Eisegesis of reading into the Bible their ideas to a people who were not allowed to have the Bible,
let alone have it in their common language.
Humanism and Postmodernism are religions by definition but they hold to
a relativistic set of presuppositions. Relativism can only lead to lawlessness and always leads to wars and corruption.
The Bible and Jesus have the only answer ; it is definitive in its laws and
commandments.

[watchman333]

Every word of the Holy Bible is true, but people have a difficult time understanding prophecy. If we are wise, we ask God for wisdom which He gives freely to those whom He will. Then, prophecy takes on whole new meanings.

[CoreIssue]

Every word of the Holy Bible is true, but people have a difficult time understanding prophecy. If we are wise, we ask God for wisdom which He gives freely to those whom He will. Then, prophecy takes on whole new meanings.
Many are not wise. They do not like what it says so they refuse to read it literally. Some just open themselves to demonic and self deception by just praying and accepting what pops into their heads as from God.

We are told in the last days many will grow cold to the truth, have itching ears and be Christian in name only. We are there.

[garrettspaint@yahoo.com]

Very thoughtful indeed. I don't disagree that there is, or most people think that there is a higher power. Most of our founding fathers were actually diests, but recocnized that we must respect all religious beliefs, and keep separate the church and the state.
If you read the book 'Misquoting Jesus'. Which was written by the head of religious studies at North Carolina university, you will see that biblical scholars all over the world have found over 300,000 different changes in words or changes in stories throughout the history of the bible. Most of the 'miracles' didn't even exsist in the first bibles. They were added later by Kings or tyrants with the motivation of controlling the population. Because the bible was transcribed by hand for 1,500 years, there was tremendous room for error, because many of the transcribers couldn't read what they were writing, and you can imagine the mistakes one might make if you were transcribing for many hours, and days on end. Especially if you were hired by a King with certain motives! So you can see, the bible is tremendously flawed at best.
But you say, "The Bible and Jesus have the only answer; it is definitive in its laws and commandments." That would mean that god is not powerful enough to make all people see there is only one religion. That means that most of the world is wrong. More people have died because they think differently than any other single cause in the history of man (not relativism). It is man that wrote the bible, and it is man (not god) that says this is the only way.
Look, I know you are probably not a killer, nor do you wish ill will to others. I am just saying it would be nice if people could say 'yes there is a god and were not it; if man is to survive we need to look past our religious differences and accept that there is more than one path to lead a spiritual life.'
To you I'm sure my arguments don't make sense, but I wish more people would ask themselves what is real and what is not.

[CoreIssue]

Very thoughtful indeed. I don't disagree that there is, or most people think that there is a higher power. Most of our founding fathers were actually diests,
That is a false claim. The vast majority were members of denominations that still exist today. A very few where deists. Many who have been labeled deists were not. I have done a lot of research on that issue.
but recocnized that we must respect all religious beliefs, and keep separate the church and the state.
The constitution prohibits the government from intruding in or taking on a state religion. It does not nor does it even hint at religion not being free to impact upon government.

Freedom of religion, yes. Freedom from religion, no.
If you read the book 'Misquoting Jesus'. Which was written by the head of religious studies at North Carolina university, you will see that biblical scholars all over the world have found over 300,000 different changes in words or changes in stories throughout the history of the bible.
That is totally false. I know about the so-called scholars you are talking about. They base their findings on personal opinions, not facts.

Fact is manuscript evidence for the OT now goes back centuries BC and NT finds begin in the 1st century from around the times of the Apostles.

Even non Biblical scholars reject those claims as utter nonsense.
Most of the 'miracles' didn't even exsist in the first bibles. They were added later by Kings or tyrants with the motivation of controlling the population.
False. There are contemporary Jewish, Roman and other documents that attesting to the miracles.

You need to stop depending on these critics and start doing your own research.
Because the bible was transcribed by hand for 1,500 years, there was tremendous room for error, because many of the transcribers couldn't read what they were writing, and you can imagine the mistakes one might make if you were transcribing for many hours, and days on end. Especially if you were hired by a King with certain motives! So you can see, the bible is tremendously flawed at best.
False. If an error was made and immediately caught the scribe started over. Then proof read for further rejection.

Your problem here is you are just looking at issues within and created by Catholicism. But there were still copies from non Catholics sources. And compared to the oldest manuscripts our modern Bibles are extremely accurate.
But you say, "The Bible and Jesus have the only answer; it is definitive in its laws and commandments." That would mean that god is not powerful enough to make all people see there is only one religion.
God does not make anyone believe. No cannot make and call it free choice. Satan was in the very presence of God and still rebelled.

The issue is not believing, but obeying. Even Satan, fallen angels and demons believe in Christ. But they do not worship or follow him.
That means that most of the world is wrong.
Agree. Personal choice.
More people have died because they think differently than any other single cause in the history of man (not relativism).
Freewill choice.
It is man that wrote the bible, and it is man (not god) that says this is the only way.
Written by God through Man. Big difference.
Look, I know you are probably not a killer, nor do you wish ill will to others. I am just saying it would be nice if people could say 'yes there is a god and were not it;
More to it than that simple reality. Those beliefs go beyond it to how a society lives based upon their personal beliefs.
if man is to survive we need to look past our religious differences and accept that there is more than one path to lead a spiritual life.'
And you are going to explain that to such as Islam and Communists? How?

By the way, there are different spiritual paths. One goes to God and the others to Hell.

But even in your formula removing religion from the discussion table is a non starter. Cannot be by definition and reality.
To you I'm sure my arguments don't make sense, but I wish more people would ask themselves what is real and what is not.
They do not make sense because they are impossible to do.

In Humanism the belief is do not talk about God. Why? Because they do not believe in God so one of the key doctrines is being pushed. Therefore, they win and their religion becomes the State religion by default.

And you need to ask yourself what is real and what is not. I know the Humanist arguments and they are totally faith based. No proof at all scientifically. They even have to reinvent word definitions to be able to use evolution at all in an argument. Or theory, which is now redefined as a fact in need of tweaking instead of an unproven theory.

Like it or not you are trying set your religious beliefs up as the standard of society and culture. So your goal isn't religious equality, but one religion dominance.

[garrettspaint@yahoo.com]

Fascinating! You are obviously well studied and quite intellegent.

For now I will believe the head of religous studies at North Carolina University and the millions of others who think like I do(there are many other books out there that dispute Christianity). As I expect you and the millions of christians to keep thinking and acting as you do. I think it is the 'God through man' thing that scares me the most. That's what Hitler said,that's what they said to the witches at Salem, etc, etc.

I am frustrated because I want people to quite killing eachother over religious differences, and I believe bible prophecy is just self fullfilling prophecy. If I am going to burn in hell because I want peace on earth; so be it.

I must tell you, I never was a Catholic. My aunt was a nun; yes. My grandfather on the other side of the family was a Methodist minister, I was baptised Apiscapalian(sp?) and I have been to a few other churches and bible studies. I'm sure you have fascinating critisism for these sects too, but you can spare me, I am going back to the Atheist web site where I belong (even though I am actually agnostic). I realize that we are all different, and a simpleton like myself is not going to change anybody's mind.

[CTZonEdit]

Thats funny that you actually expect humans to achieve a level of peace that is completely unknown to them past present and future. That level of peace cannot be achieved without God.

People are not inherantly good, they are too led by emotion and all sorts of lusts of the flesh. That should be quite evident. So expecting them to achieve any sustaining level of ultimate peace is an excercise in futility.

Evolutionary process as science believes it is no about peace, its about survival of the fittest. Brutality at is best.

[CoreIssue]

Agreed, CTZ.

Plus all should note garrettspaint is pushing for unity of thinking on his conditions and terms. We disagree and he returns to his 'flock.'

Kinda one sided compromise there.

[garrettspaint@yahoo.com]

To me your arguments are neither compelling nor inspirational. It's the same blather I have been hearing my whole life(fear). But you have made my most important argument for me...Do your own research, and make your own decision! The arguments against Christianity make much more sense to me than does Christianity, and the fact is we believe what we want to believe. I am not going to change your mind, nor are you going to change mine. To me it is pointless to argue something that we won't know the answer to until we die(I know you all ready know the answer). I want people to be able to continue to practice there own religion; that's what the USA is all about. Just as I would defend(verbally) Christians, Buddhist's and Hindu's right to practice there religion, I would defend gay, and Muslim rights. Just because I don't practice or support these things, doesn't mean they don't have the right to continue. But I also wish(foolishly of course) that people would quit killing each other over their belief in god.

[CoreIssue]

To me your arguments are neither compelling nor inspirational.
I know.

Problem is no one is the ultimate authority of their life or their own eternal destiny. And you do not like that.
It's the same blather I have been hearing my whole life(fear).
Is reality fear or do you fear reality? That is the real question.
But you have made my most important argument for me...Do your own research, and make your own decision!
I believe in freewill choice. But what you don't seem to believe in is that the consequences of your choice may not be yours to make.

You can choose to stop eating and live. But you will still die.
The arguments against Christianity make much more sense to me than does Christianity,
OK. Your right to do so. But not your right to tell me to shut up.

Your own argument was everyone be silent and believe what you want and let others do so. But that is actually an argument to tell others who do believe in a god, etc., to shut up so you can have your silence, a doctrine of your religions. A false argument to get what you want via silencing others.

If you cannot see that then you are not thinking the issue through and failing to see the contradictions of your own demands as regards others. As in others want you to believe as they do and you don't like it, but at the same time you are making demands on them equal to what you do not like.
and the fact is we believe what we want to believe.
Now think of what you just said. We believe what we want, which is true, but what everyone wants, by definition, cannot be the truth since the demands are incompatible and cannot coexist in reality.
I am not going to change your mind, nor are you going to change mine.
OK. But I remind you that you were the one who came on here, a Christian site, and began the conversation.

No problem in that except it means you are looking for something, be it changing us or an answer to why you are so incredibly uncomfortable with what be believe.

I am not uncomfortable with what you believe. I just know it is wrong and impacts others.

But I am not trying to force you to believe as I do. But you are trying to get me to shut up.
To me it is pointless to argue something that we won't know the answer to until we die(I know you all ready know the answer).
Bit late by then.
I want people to be able to continue to practice there own religion; that's what the USA is all about.
OK. I believe that to. That is what the Constitution says. But who is out there pushing to restrict and deny that right. Humanists and Atheists.
Just as I would defend(verbally) Christians, Buddhist's and Hindu's right to practice there religion, I would defend gay, and Muslim rights.
Problem with Muslims is illustrated in places such as Michingan, where they tried to force Sharia Law into areas and Constitutional Law out.

And with Gays the problem is a society has to set norms of conduct and social allowance. Science actually does not accept homosexuality as an inherent trait, but a herent one, meaning chosen, not natural. And historical research shows a society that becomes tolerant of such is a dead or dying society.
Just because I don't practice or support these things, doesn't mean they don't have the right to continue.
Depends on the impact on society. Thousands of years of history shows homosexuality is destructive, thus banned, by healthy societies. Look at the intolerance of Muslim societies and you can see they are not tolerant of other beliefs.
But I also wish(foolishly of course) that people would quit killing each other over their belief in god.
Nice blind vision of reality. China and the USSR, both humanist/atheist societies, killed millions and millions of people who didn't embrace their beliefs. But they did and do have gods, don't they? Being the human race, their governments and/or themselves.

[garrettspaint@yahoo.com]

Hey. It's Sunday! Aren't you supposed to be in church? Ha, Ha
I don't want you to shut up, nor do I expect you to, you have been doing this much longer than I have. Your flock loves you, and appreciates what you have to say. So do I
I just wanted to spark some interest in books and movies that dispute christianity(especially bible prophecy) Just like the people who knock on my door try to spark my interest in their church or scripture.
I apologize for wanting peace on earth. (I know, I know... God is the only way to peace) This is my first time on a christian blog and I hope it will be my last. I can see I am just fueling a fire that needs no more fuel. I must go out and walk the walk of peace on earth. Fortunately, I am not alone.

[CoreIssue]

Hey. It's Sunday! Aren't you supposed to be in church? Ha, Ha
I don't want you to shut up, nor do I expect you to, you have been doing this much longer than I have. Your flock loves you, and appreciates what you have to say. So do I
I just wanted to spark some interest in books and movies that dispute christianity(especially bible prophecy) Just like the people who knock on my door try to spark my interest in their church or scripture.
Bad assumption that many of us do are not very aware of such books, etc. We are more aware, on the whole, than Humanists are aware of what the Bible says, considering they get their info from such books, etc, not actually studying on their own.

Are there people in churches that don't have a clue of even what the Bible actually says? Better believe it.

I have been studying for 47 years. That includes other religions, scientific claims, etc.

Many scientist are Christians. But they are suppressed by others in science.

Evolution, in example, is one of the most faith laden beliefs in the world. They have nothing to base it on. They just believe because the alternative is unacceptable to them.
I apologize for wanting peace on earth.
And what makes you think we don't?

Human nature is the not equipped for peace. Greed, lust and more are just come with the package components of humans. Not going to change on this ole earth.
(I know, I know... God is the only way to peace) This is my first time on a christian blog and I hope it will be my last.
Your call. But at least you made no attempt to explain around the problems I pointed out with Humanism. But neither did you acknowledge the problems either.
I can see I am just fueling a fire that needs no more fuel. I must go out and walk the walk of peace on earth. Fortunately, I am not alone.
With all due respect, that is a load. Embracing all and having to moral standards, etc, is not embracing anything, It is amoralism that simply turns a blind eye to realities that need dealt with.

Countries with Sharia Law are slaughtering non Muslims, China is oppressing it population, Russia is trying to rebuild the USSR and more. Where are you in these things?

[CTZonEdit]

... I just wanted to spark some interest in books and movies that dispute christianity(especially bible prophecy) ...

No. What you wanted do do was try and convert us to your way of thinking, by assuming that us 'christians' are fools.

Anyone that believes the bible is a self-fulfilling prophecy is cluless about history especially the history of Israel. So they just 'self-fulfilled' themselves thru several attempts at genocide both ancient and modern and their reclamation of their land just 'happend' upon them? Its just all a big conicidence that just happend to be written about? :tsk:

[watchman333]

Dear Core, CTZ,
Good arguments for Mr. Garrett but I'm afraid they will fall on deaf ears. He is trying to paint a humanist picture on faith matters, which he cannot understand. As it is written, our Father is sending strong delusion on these people, in these final days. Therefore, it is impossible for him to recognize Biblical truth. Keep trying though, we never know when Y'shua might decide to water such an one.

[CoreIssue]

Dear Core, CTZ,
Good arguments for Mr. Garrett but I'm afraid they will fall on deaf ears. He is trying to paint a humanist picture on faith matters, which he cannot understand. As it is written, our Father is sending strong delusion on these people, in these final days. Therefore, it is impossible for him to recognize Biblical truth. Keep trying though, we never know when Y'shua might decide to water such an one.
:tiphat:

[WCA]

The Bible is the inspired Word of God.
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

[CoreIssue]

The Bible is the inspired Word of God.
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." (2 Tim. 3:16-17)
Yep. God does not leave us without answers.

[Jim Kemper]

How do you view the bible?
The Holy Bible is true and correct, without error, from the Table of Contents to Maps!

[rbprophecy]

I'm kind of new to trying to relate bible prophecy to actual world events. But I do appreciate the thoughtful approach in these posts.

[Jachin]

The Bible is the inspired Word of God.
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

The Bible is the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth!
The Alpha and the Omega!
Amem.

Jachin

[Willy]

The Bible is the inspired Word of God.
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

The Bible is the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth!
The Alpha and the Omega!
Amem.

Jachin

Amen !! Alpha and Omega ... Living Word and Written Word ... :nod:

[a.baker]

I'm kind of new to trying to relate bible prophecy to actual world events. But I do appreciate the thoughtful approach in these posts.

God will give understanding if you pray for it and read all that He taught. :nod: