How Can We Be Saved From Our Eternal Condemnation?

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Note: The first 7 posts here are reposts from the old board by CoreIssue.

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:45 am by rudiger totzenberger



HOW CAN WE BE SAVED FROM OUR ETERNAL CONDEMNATION?


THERE IS ONLY ONE ANSWER, (REPENT), FIRST YOU MUST START WITH YOURSELF AND MAKE A CHOICE, WHICH IS GOD ALMIGHTY ETERNAL WILL OR YOUR EXTERNAL WILL?
YOUR EXTERNAL WILL, ENTERS INTERNAL DARKNESS (DEATH) FOREVER. AS GOD ALMIGHTY WILL, ENTERS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD CONNECTED WITH HOLY SPIRIT FOREVER.


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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:31 am by CTZonEdit

No the Bible says this:
Romans 10:8-10

8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[a] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
What you are doing is preaching another gospel behind some veiled intelligence it seems.

Your must repent from what exactly? Your external will? Doesnt mention that in the bible.

In the bible your are to repent from your SINS. You are condemned by God because you are a SINNER.

You are rewriting the bible here and moving into cult practices.

Explain why you do not quote anything from the word of God? Again in all your posts I have not seen any scripture. Only your reinterpretation of scriptures and alot of intellectual nonsense.
Luke 16
Additional Teachings
16“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. 17It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

18“Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
In other words you have committed adultry against God by divorcing yourself from the teachings of the bible and embracing this ideaology you have either created for yourself or preach from those who are decieved.

Jesus said quite clearly:
Luke
31“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”
In other words if people do not believe in what the bible says about the prophets or Moses then your're preaching in vain.

And so far you have said Zero about the God of the bible.

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The true church is Christ and the church is in Christ not an outside church but an inside church.
People always judge others in this matter, but this is all it is (matter meaning externalism) the eternal church is in spirit and truth, with is the temple with in us.
This is the holy church, for god lives in us not outside us. We first must repent into repentance this is the reason why john the Baptist was brought into the word from God, only then can we receive Holy Spirit, as the reason of our lord Jesus came into the world.
Lord came to john first in the way, even though he was sinless, as you can recall then our lord received Holy Spirit from his father, after john baptised him in the name of repentance.
As we must do the same as the lord God has done, only then can we pray in spirit and truth, which is God, for God is looking for such one’s.
The answer is we are all wrong. Thinking the connection is external churches to God, but only a place of worshiping in masses. As stated the reason Jesus came to be born as one of us, is to give back Holy Spirit, which Adam had lost in the beginning.
Due to Adam loosing the eternal temple of of connection (God spirit) an external connection was given to mosses a convent, 10 commandments which they could only speak to God through the external ark.
The day of external leaders are over, for there is only one father one leader one teacher, ask knock and seek and God through Jesus Christ by Holy Spirit will answer you. Do you remember what the lord said to the Samaritan lady at the water well from (Jacob well)?
Revealing her spiritual interest, she notes that the Samaritans "worship in the mountain (Gerizim, which stands nearby) but you people (the Jews)
say in Jerusalem is place where persons ought to worship.
Yet, the place of worship is not the important thing, lord Jesus point out.
The hour is coming; he says when the true worshipers will worship the father with spirit and truth.

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Luke 11; Read All Of It!!!

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Maybe what you are trying to say just is not coming across clearly to us. I will post some points on your other topics to illustrate problems as well.
Quote:The true church is Christ
Christ is not THE Church. Church means all the Church Age saints under the headship of Christ, our savior and elder brother. We with Christ are The Church.
Quote:and the church is in Christ not an outside church but an inside church.
If you mean the Church are the Church Age saints in totality and a church is a local congregation of the the local members of the Church I agree. We all do here.
Quote:People always judge others in this matter,
We are commanded to judge but do so righteously. And we are to question, learn rebuke and so on.
Quote: but this is all it is (matter meaning externalism) the eternal church is in spirit and truth, with is the temple with in us.
You need to clarify what you mean here a lot. It smacks of cultism as said. So please clarify if that is not what you meant.
The Church is eternal and is composed of saints whose spirits will dwell in glorfied flesh for eternity in eternity. Our spirits are temples of God.
Quote:This is the holy church, for god lives in us not outside us.
God lives both in us and outside of us. The Holy Spirit indwells us and conforms us to Christ. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit but only the Holy Spirit indwells us.
Quote: We first must repent into repentance
Yes. Before we are indwelt we must repent.
Quote: this is the reason why john the Baptist was brought into the word from God,
This is vague. Please clarify.
Quote:only then can we receive Holy Spirit,
We only receive the Holy Spirit upon repentence in faith by grace.
Quote: as the reason of our lord Jesus came into the world.
To be able to pay for sins and bring us into relationship with God.
Quote:Lord came to john first in the way,
I assume you mean for water baptism.
Quote: even though he was sinless, as you can recall then our lord received Holy Spirit from his father, after john baptised him in the name of repentance.
I disagree John baptised him for repentence. He baptised him for sanctfication and declaration of unity with God.
Christ was not and never will be indwelt by the Holy Spirit. God indwelling God just isn't going to happen.
The Holy Spirit fell upon Christ in the manner of the Old Testament, not indwelling in the manner of the Church.
Quote:As we must do the same as the lord God has done, only then can we pray in spirit and truth, which is God, for God is looking for such one’s.
Water Baptism is not required for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. That happens immediately upon repentence.
Quote:The answer is we are all wrong.
Indeed we make far too many mistakes.
Quote: Thinking the connection is external churches to God, but only a place of worshiping in masses.
You error if you belief we here hold the connection to God is via churches. We do not believe that.
Quote:As stated the reason Jesus came to be born as one of us, is to give back Holy Spirit, which Adam had lost in the beginning.
Adam did not have the Holy Spirit. That is non Biblical but there are some Gnostic teachings that claim this.
Quote:Due to Adam loosing the eternal temple of of connection (God spirit)
Adam was never indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
Quote:an external connection was given to mosses a convent, 10 commandments which they could only speak to God through the external ark.
That was a covenant issue on how God spoke to Man before Christ.
God spoke to Man in different ways from Adam on. He spoke to those during the time of Moses and Israel who never heard of them as well.
Quote:The day of external leaders are over, for there is only one father one leader one teacher, ask knock and seek and God through Jesus Christ by Holy Spirit will answer you.
That is false in execution and implication. God still appoints leaders to the church who lead as functionaries of the Church. Men are leaders of their wives and familes as functionaries within the Church.

Quote: Do you remember what the lord said to the Samaritan lady at the water well from (Jacob well)?
Revealing her spiritual interest, she notes that the Samaritans "worship in the mountain (Gerizim, which stands nearby) but you people (the Jews)
say in Jerusalem is place where persons ought to worship.
Yet, the place of worship is not the important thing, lord Jesus point out.
The hour is coming; he says when the true worshipers will worship the father with spirit and truth.

I will not comment until you post the verses in full so I can respond in full.

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Christ holds the keys of the real Church he is the high preist and the reconcilation and the word of God, all creation came through Christ Jesus. Answer in Spirit and truth and not meaning of your assumptions of Bible texts.

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Christ holds the keys of the real Church he is the high preist and the reconcilation and the word of God, all creation came through Christ Jesus. Answer in Spirit and truth and not meaning of your assumptions of Bible texts.

When did I ever say Christ was not the key to the Church?

But the Church in the Bible is defined as part, and only part, of the Body of Christ of which Christ is the Head and we are parts of the Body. Those of the OT Israel covenant are also parts of the Body of Christ and co-heirs with the Church.

You keep speaking of others having assumptions about the Bible. Where are you getting your interpretations of the Bible? Sure not from grammatical and contextual reading.

What are your sources of study and knowledge? And if you say the Holy Spirit I will respond to that now by saying the Holy Spirit in inspiring the Bible and Christ, the Prophets and the Apostles told us to study and learn God's word and revelation from the Bible.

The Holy Spirit gives no revelation beyond the scope of revealed knowledge in the Bible on that scale and kind of revelation.

Where are you getting your beliefs from to make the non Biblical claims throughout your topics?

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HOW CAN WE BE SAVED FROM OUR ETERNAL CONDEMNATION
HOW CAN WE BE SAVED FROM OUR ETERNAL CONDEMNATION?



THERE IS ONLY ONE ANSWER, (REPENT), FIRST YOU MUST START WITH YOURSELF AND MAKE A CHOICE, WHICH IS GOD ALMIGHTY ETERNAL WILL OR YOUR EXTERNAL WILL?
YOUR EXTERNAL WILL, ENTERS INTERNAL DARKNESS (DEATH) FOREVER. AS GOD ALMIGHTY WILL, ENTERS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD CONNECTED WITH HOLY SPIRIT FOREVER.


These aren't full sentences.

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Jesus said,"Verily, Verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."-John 5:24