Kathren Kulman

[Jessie]

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http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kuhlman.htm

I wonder if it is possible whatever spirit she had was transferred to hinn?

and can they lay hands on people and transfer these things?

[eahaddix]

I wonder if it is possible whatever spirit she had was transferred to hinn?

Yes. I believe that Kathryn Kuhlman's "Holy Spirit" "jumped" to Benny Hinn. In fact, just as Benny Hinn emulates Kathryn Kuhlman, Kathryn Kuhlman had emulated Aimee Semple McPherson. I speculate that McPherson was the original "possessor" of this "Holy Spirit." Notice that the latter two individuals "take up" the "torch" of their respective predecessor, while progressively adding to their predecessor's beliefs and practices.

This raises an interesting question: Did these people adopt this "Holy Spirit," or did this "Holy Spirit" adopt them? The transition between these individuals seems "polished."

Both Kuhlman and Hinn believe in a mystical "Holy Spirit," which would externally arrive and depart in different ways. However, this extra-Scriptural belief contradicts the Scriptural indwelling of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%203:16;&version=31;), 1 Corinthians 6:19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:19;&version=31;)), which is consistent (John 14:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014:16;&version=31;), Hebrews 13:5-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%2013:5-6;&version=31;)) and sanctifies internally (1 Thessalonians 5:23 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%205:23;&version=31;)).

[Jessie]

I have been wondering about this since you last mentioned it.

frankly its kindof frightening. external spirit. oh boy....

and the churches these people started and movements too.

so odd.

I'd hate to see what/who is after hinn....

[Brandli5]

I agree with you jesse. I do not really know what to think of them.

[kay-gee]

Pure and simply.....THESE PEOPLE are purveyors of NONSENSE and not worth the time or the breath to discuss them. Is this of any help? ........ALL the best.........

[Jessie]

the reason we discuss them is to warn others of their nonsense.
many fall and get trapped into it.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Pure and simply.....THESE PEOPLE are purveyors of NONSENSE and not worth the time or the breath to discuss them. Is this of any help? ........ALL the best.........

Discussing these people is our RESPONSIBILITY. Letting error go by us without correcting it... saying nothing while the wolves scavenge the sheep fold... is how error enters the church.

[kay-gee]

The folks that fall for these charlatans are usually not looking for a real committed walk with the LORD anyway. Most are looking to have their emotional funny bones tickled! Like Barnum and Bailey said "theres a sucker born every minute". People get trapped by these characters usually out of selfish motives. Looking for Physical well being or financial blessing. The decievers get rich, and the decieved get poorer. it's a business$$. Jessie, and chrystalwuzhere, please, please don't get side-tracked by these "spiritual" carnival acts. They will get whats coming to them when the time comes! Meanwhile, keep on sharing Jesus with any one who will listen. All the best............

[Jessie]

I did get side tracked by these hucksters when I was really down yrs ago.
ole pat robertsons teaching tapes. :grr:

thats why I say something about it and warn others. see these folks are very very dangerous, their teachings are dangerous. it took those here to help pull me out of it.

I was wrapped up in so much fear it was unreal.

If we help just one person avoid what I fell into and did'nt know how to get out,
then it was worth it!

[kay-gee]

How exactly did your spiritual quest begin? You talk about periods of being really down. What happened in your life to motivate you to seek? Just curious. All the best............

[Jessie]

3 kids to take care of , extended family problems on both sides, marraige problems...financial problems
basically felt like NO hope.

had to much to cope with and no support from anyone.
too many rules to abide by I had NO voice anywhere.

[kay-gee]

Jessie, it sounds like you were/are carrying quite a burden. It's when I hear those things I wish we were not just cyber aquaintenances but that all of us "real" spiritual brothers and sisters. I believe that we are commanded to help each other in all things, spiritual and physical. Some who are blessed with more should be helping those with less and struggling. No one in GOds family should be facing those things you speak of alone. EVER! I am sure that there is a congregation of HIS CHURCH near you in Oregon. My prayer for you,Jessie is that you will seek them out. This is TRUTH, not these entreprenurs prancing about on a stage making people fall over and all that. The sheer mockery they make Of GODs son is completely offensive to me! In HIS LOVE.....All the best!

[Jessie]

most out here are into wof or the pdl.

few of us are left.

[kay-gee]

So wof is word of faith. At our home back in Toronto,Canada we were next door neighbors to a church I'm sure was called Word of Faith. I couldn't tell you anything about them except that they were very loud! I figured them for your basic black pentecostal type group. Seemed very nice people to greet going by. One thing peculiar, they were drawing some pretty huge crowds. Had crossing gaurds in front of our house to help traffic. Thanks for shedding light. Now what is pdl?....out of loop on abbreviations. All the best.............

[Jessie]

the pdl is "purpose driven life" by rick warren,
its the seeker sensitive movement.

[CoreIssue]

the pdl is "purpose driven life" by rick warren,
its the seeker sensitive movement.
You can find materials on this in another sub forum that contains this forum.
Very dangerous nonsense.

[kay-gee]

Who is Rick Warren? Heard the name thats all. I've been too loyally committed to one group for most of my life, so i'm terribly uninformed about all these people you mention. My rule of thumb is, if they're buying TV time, then they are probably selling something! Isn't that how TV works? Buy air time and sell stuff. By the way, whats wrong with sensitively seeking? We were all seekers once........All the best.......

[CoreIssue]

Who is Rick Warren? Heard the name thats all. I've been too loyally committed to one group for most of my life, so i'm terribly uninformed about all these people you mention. My rule of thumb is, if they're buying TV time, then they are probably selling something! Isn't that how TV works? Buy air time and sell stuff. By the way, whats wrong with sensitively seeking? We were all seekers once........All the best.......
Go read the forum materials. You're answers are there.

[tjking]

So wof is word of faith. At our home back in Toronto,Canada we were next door neighbors to a church I'm sure was called Word of Faith. I couldn't tell you anything about them except that they were very loud! I figured them for your basic black pentecostal type group. Seemed very nice people to greet going by. One thing peculiar, they were drawing some pretty huge crowds. Had crossing gaurds in front of our house to help traffic. Thanks for shedding light. Now what is pdl?....out of loop on abbreviations. All the best............. sounds like my kind of church. i know i sure like pat robertons . i like charles standle and many more. i allso in joy talking to people on here. i try to lean something from everone.

[InTheWind]

One thing peculiar, they were drawing some pretty huge crowds.

That`s why Satan uses lust, greed, sex, drugs, alcohol as some of his best tools, they draw big crowds.
Sin is fun, obedience is not as popular. :(

[a.baker]

Hmmm speaking of which there was this club in Lansing MI called "The Temple Club". It used to be a church and got sold to someone that turned it into a club. Three different floors with different entertainment and different music. One floor was live music and it drew huge crowds; hundreds! The stage was huge and they would have contests. Eventually it got closed down because they went bankrupt. Sounds to me like the owners used all the money for drugs. Same thing happened to management at a club called Harpos in Detroit on Harper St. (very very bad area). They are still open though, just had to get rid of certain people that stole thousands of dollars every night for drugs. Those were a couple of places I used to go to all the time back in the day because my husbands band would play there. But thats in the past. Weekend nights sure do get lonely even when I am super busy with chores and work. But the past is the past and now I need to find something new for entertainment. I guess thats why I come here a lot; it gives me something. I was telling Kaygee how much I love comedy but it is hard to find clean cut comedy. Anyone know of any? Yup all those things you mentioned ITW make it so we can't enjoy some things and must steer clear. I tell you what, the morals of people...yup circling down the drain.

[CoreIssue]

So wof is word of faith. At our home back in Toronto,Canada we were next door neighbors to a church I'm sure was called Word of Faith. I couldn't tell you anything about them except that they were very loud! I figured them for your basic black pentecostal type group. Seemed very nice people to greet going by. One thing peculiar, they were drawing some pretty huge crowds. Had crossing gaurds in front of our house to help traffic. Thanks for shedding light. Now what is pdl?....out of loop on abbreviations. All the best............. sounds like my kind of church. i know i sure like pat robertons . i like charles standle and many more. i allso in joy talking to people on here. i try to lean something from everone.
Toronto could also be Vineyard Movement. More error.

tjking. Pentecostalism, WoF and Vineyard all are loaded with false doctrine.

Pat Robertson is a Kingdom Now believer, a lot of error with him.

Charles Stanley and Robertson are very different from each other. Very. Stanley rejects a lot of what Roberston believes.

PDL is purpose driven living. Yet another error laden group.

[InTheWind]

I`ve been sittin here listening too Bob Dylan all night, Lord help me. :D

[CoreIssue]

I`ve been sittin here listening too Bob Dylan all night, Lord help me. :D
:roflmbo:

[kay-gee]

The Toronto Vineyard was really something. Its notoriety well known throught the city. Also refered to as the airport fellowship. I know people were coming from all over the world to check this out. Apparently the Spirit would descend so mightily in the place that some folks would fall to their hands and knees and literally bark like hound dogs! A whole new meaning to the term holy roller! Even some in the parking lot still doing the funky chicken!!! Incredible! I just scratch my head and drive down to our little fellowship where we sing a few off key acapella hymns and then study the Bible. We thought we were specially blessed if the heater was working. ha ha ha lol !!!
all the best...

[a.baker]

Those people sound weird... barking like dogs? Last night I had people telling me of visions they have had and they have a lot they claim. They said the first one they saw God. I said "did you fall to your knees, were you weak and unable to stand in His presence, were you scared"? And they said no. I told them to be very careful of visions and dreams. I told them if they were at all in Gods presence they wouldn't of been able to stand. Thats how it was every time God appeared to the so very very few in the bible. They were weak and scared and couldn't stand. God had to give them the strength to stand in His presence. I also told them that visions were more from the old testament. And I told them to be so very careful with this because at first Satan likes to disguise himself and he likes to bring things making you think that there is no harm in it and it's o.k. and thats how he starts to suck you in and lead you away from God. Than I had more and more people get on saying we had dreams and visions too. And than they continued to say Heaven and hell is here on earth right now. I tried to tell them Heaven and hell are not here they are different places not of earth. They wouldn't listen to anything I said. I told them to test everything with Gods Word. I told them feelings can also lead us away from God. Than I had people private message me saying are theses people always foolish? Well I didn't want to bad talk behind people's back. I only wanted to shed some light so to speak. And than it went on until I said o.k. I have to have some bible time. There seemed to be only one there that had open eyes and they fled a s soon as they saw what these people were talking about. I thought thats when we as Christians need to stick it out to help others see what they are talking about is foolish; not run away and hide in our safe places. I was the only there and I was being attacked by their interpretations. I lost words so I took it as God telling me to quiet and to retreat to His Word. Thats exactly what I did. People can get really lost in many ways. Very hard to find Christians that stick to His Word and live by it as a whole and listen.

[InTheWind]

Some of the worlds people are like sheep being led too slaughter, sad they can`t see the truth.
And if i`m not mistaken nobody in the Bible has ever seen God as He really is, Moses seen him as a burning bush and was told not too look or he would die.
It amazes me how people are taken in by the excitement generated by these false teachers. :(

[tjking]

The Toronto Vineyard was really something. Its notoriety well known throught the city. Also refered to as the airport fellowship. I know people were coming from all over the world to check this out. Apparently the Spirit would descend so mightily in the place that some folks would fall to their hands and knees and literally bark like hound dogs! A whole new meaning to the term holy roller! Even some in the parking lot still doing the funky chicken!!! Incredible! I just scratch my head and drive down to our little fellowship where we sing a few off key acapella hymns and then study the Bible. We thought we were specially blessed if the heater was working. ha ha ha lol !!!
all the best...
i dont know anything about all that .not ever things real.but GOD is real. he just like coke hes the real thing. some people might get in the wrong spirit but there is a real thing.funky chicken and dog barking is a new to me. . what is the funky chicken? are you sure you just did not was going on?its not good to judge ever one cause what a few people might do..i been to alot of kinds of churches. i think there going to be people out all churches make it in and some people that not. there nothing wrong with jumping and shouting. the dog barking and the funky chicken what ever that be is a new on me:tiphat:

[CoreIssue]

The Toronto Vineyard was really something. Its notoriety well known throught the city. Also refered to as the airport fellowship. I know people were coming from all over the world to check this out. Apparently the Spirit would descend so mightily in the place that some folks would fall to their hands and knees and literally bark like hound dogs! A whole new meaning to the term holy roller! Even some in the parking lot still doing the funky chicken!!! Incredible! I just scratch my head and drive down to our little fellowship where we sing a few off key acapella hymns and then study the Bible. We thought we were specially blessed if the heater was working. ha ha ha lol !!!
all the best...
i dont know anything about all that .not ever things real.but GOD is real. he just like coke hes the real thing. some people might get in the wrong spirit but there is a real thing.funky chicken and dog barking is a new to me. . what is the funky chicken? are you sure you just did not was going on?its not good to judge ever one cause what a few people might do..i been to alot of kinds of churches. i think there going to be people out all churches make it in and some people that not. there nothing wrong with jumping and shouting. the dog barking and the funky chicken what ever that be is a new on me:tiphat:
The problem with Pentecostalism, WoF, Vine Yard and those types is they teach the Holy Spirit is making them do those things. Plus a lot of other false doctrines like evidence of tongues, false tongues, they are little gods and so on.

As far as the jumping and shouting Paul addressed that well. Conduct yourself in meetings in a way that does not scare off others, does not make them think you are nuts and that there is substance in the meeting.

Sure, I have nothing against joy in the Lord. But there is a line.

[Jessie]

Pat Robertson is a wof in sheeps clothing! he teaches the occult in his teaching tapes. he in my opinion is worse than most because he has his tailored sheeps clothing on tv, looks like a nice old grandpa when hes anything but!

I've heard storys of the vineyard people could'nt get up off the floor supposedly under the spirits annointing.... well thats not the holy spirit!

our God is not a God of confusion! barking like dogs, oiking like pigs, crowing like roosters is NOT the holy spirit!

then in other countries they were wearing diapers, they just let it all go.
claiming again the annointing of the Holy spirit.
well thats certainly not from the Lord!!!

I had a friend yrs ago, that these kind scared her daughter so bad she got up and left. well since when did Jesus or the HS scare a child like that?
they dont but bad spirits do.

no reverence or fear of God! no respect! and these are the coldest folk you ever come into contact with. hard and mean. thoughtless.
all about gifts no fruit. big on talk and no action.
again not from God.

and falling backwards, no one in the bible ever fell backwards when they belonged to God, they fell on their faces.
something to think about!

I have seen nothing but chaos and confusion in these churches.

whatever happened to sitting quietly thru a sermon so you can learn something?

[kay-gee]

Amen Jessie!

all the best...

[a.baker]

Tjking we are allowed to judge those inside the church, God says so in Corinthians. God than continues to say those outside the church are for Him to judge only. We are to judge inside the church because there are false that claim this or that. We don't want to follow any old thing like we are blind. God opens our eyes for a purpose. There is much false lurking in churches especially now a days. Question and judge biblically, always.

[tjking]

The Toronto Vineyard was really something. Its notoriety well known throught the city. Also refered to as the airport fellowship. I know people were coming from all over the world to check this out. Apparently the Spirit would descend so mightily in the place that some folks would fall to their hands and knees and literally bark like hound dogs! A whole new meaning to the term holy roller! Even some in the parking lot still doing the funky chicken!!! Incredible! I just scratch my head and drive down to our little fellowship where we sing a few off key acapella hymns and then study the Bible. We thought we were specially blessed if the heater was working. ha ha ha lol !!!
all the best...
i dont know anything about all that .not ever things real.but GOD is real. he just like coke hes the real thing. some people might get in the wrong spirit but there is a real thing.funky chicken and dog barking is a new to me. . what is the funky chicken? are you sure you just did not was going on?its not good to judge ever one cause what a few people might do..i been to alot of kinds of churches. i think there going to be people out all churches make it in and some people that not. there nothing wrong with jumping and shouting. the dog barking and the funky chicken what ever that be is a new on me:tiphat:
The problem with Pentecostalism, WoF, Vine Yard and those types is they teach the Holy Spirit is making them do those things. Plus a lot of other false doctrines like evidence of tongues, false tongues, they are little gods and so on.

As far as the jumping and shouting Paul addressed that well. Conduct yourself in meetings in a way that does not scare off others, does not make them think you are nuts and that there is substance in the meeting.

Sure, I have nothing against joy in the Lord. But there is a line. i see we dont agree on this evidence of speaking in tongues.i also like the king james bible

[CoreIssue]

First of all, it is not debatable the manuscripts use for the KJV came into existence centuries after the Apostles.

Many do not know the KJV script was not created until around 1600. It is a compliation of 5 manuscripts from the Majority Texts, which were created by the RCC.

No manuscript from earlier centuries include a number of issues, such as the fasting ones. Nor do any of the earliest translations.

Simple as that.

As for Evidence of Tongues, it simply doesn't exist in the NT. I am well aware of the attempts of Pentecostals to say it is there. It isn't.

The Apostles never taught evidence of tongues, never encouraged anyone to experience it nor are there any mentions of such after the 3 incidents in Acts.

Healing, tongues and such have all been used as evidence of God. But never are any of them demanded.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at repentence. There is no such thing as a separate occurance after salvation.

Experience is neither proof or equal to the Bible. Pagans and other religions also practice evidence of tongues. The Mormons originally had it as one of their practices.

I welcome you to present me with anything from the NT where it was ever taught, encouraged or spoken of after Acts, where it was a sign of moving from the OT to the NT, not the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as empowerment.

There are a lot of folk out there with Gifts of the Spirit who have never spoken in Tongues.

[CoreIssue]

Let me add, I came to God using the KJV. The NIV and such didn't exist then.

But the archaic English and added words and text are problems that have created a lot of bad doctrine.

If you notice most cults and such use the KJV. That is precisely because of the difficulty of reading the Old English properly in modern terms.

A lot of words have changed meanings over time.

Like gay meant happy, carefree and ect. for well into the 20th century before its meaning changed.

Candlestick, in the KJV, is wrong. They were lamp stands burning oil lamps.

In the OT where they talked about temple prostitutes in female terms in a number of places, it is wrong. They were male prostitutes.

Gen 1:2 begins with 'And' then uses 'was.' That is wrong. And was added doctrinally. No Hebrew justification for the word. 'Was' is really became.

I have collided with so many people's doctrines that would never have been a problem except for the KJV errors and problems.

[avlotts]

Hi everyone, not to derail this thread line but there is another issue here that no one has addressed. So I have a couple questions, seeing that we are in the Kathryn Kuhlman thread, and CoreIssues comment on Paul addressing how to conduct yourselves in meetings, my first questions is: how do you address the issue of women teaching and preaching in public and in the church to the full congregants, men and women? and my second question is: Shall we take this to another thread or will this one do?

[kay-gee]

In my understanding of NT it is forbidden for woman to hold positions of authority to preach publically in the church. There is nothing to suggest that they can not serve in many ways and even some teaching but not in that capicity. Woman are encouraged to teach the younger woman in one passage. In the fellowship to which I belong, we have taken a bit of critism as being sexist, but there is nothing we can do. We are bound by the authority of the bible in all matters concrning faith and worship.
all the best...

[tjking]

In my understanding of NT it is forbidden for woman to hold positions of authority to preach publically in the church. There is nothing to suggest that they can not serve in many ways and even some teaching but not in that capicity. Woman are encouraged to teach the younger woman in one passage. In the fellowship to which I belong, we have taken a bit of critism as being sexist, but there is nothing we can do. We are bound by the authority of the bible in all matters concrning faith and worship.
all the best...
2 jn1;1 what is this? is this not a woman? ant there others in the bible

[tjking]

Hi everyone, not to derail this thread line but there is another issue here that no one has addressed. So I have a couple questions, seeing that we are in the Kathryn Kuhlman thread, and CoreIssues comment on Paul addressing how to conduct yourselves in meetings, my first questions is: how do you address the issue of women teaching and preaching in public and in the church to the full congregants, men and women? and my second question is: Shall we take this to another thread or will this one do?
sorry for jumping in on theards like that your right that.it look like i got to go and try to learn some greek. i been told the king james is not right

[InTheWind]

tjking, question, do you believe that if a person can`t speak in tongues they arn`t filled with the Holy Spirit?

[tjking]

tjking, question, do you believe that if a person can`t speak in tongues they arn`t filled with the Holy Spirit?
i think when we get save we have the spirit and itwork on the in side of us speaking in tongues is one of the gifts. :tiphat: i think when we speak in toungues we let the holy spirit speak though us. i been told on here that kings james bible is not right.how can we agree if our bible s not the same. seek GOD and tell him if there more you wanted it.we can have these gifts but without love for one another and GOD is the main thing king james bible i going get back of here and try to read some greek.. dont get me wrong not saying you dont love ever one.. if we have the holy spirit we should have some of the gifts that go with.

[InTheWind]

Yepper, gifts, that`s what it is, just like any other. :yowza:

[tjking]

The Toronto Vineyard was really something. Its notoriety well known throught the city. Also refered to as the airport fellowship. I know people were coming from all over the world to check this out. Apparently the Spirit would descend so mightily in the place that some folks would fall to their hands and knees and literally bark like hound dogs! A whole new meaning to the term holy roller! Even some in the parking lot still doing the funky chicken!!! Incredible! I just scratch my head and drive down to our little fellowship where we sing a few off key acapella hymns and then study the Bible. We thought we were specially blessed if the heater was working. ha ha ha lol !!!
all the best...
i dont know anything about all that .not ever things real.but GOD is real. he just like coke hes the real thing. some people might get in the wrong spirit but there is a real thing.funky chicken and dog barking is a new to me. . what is the funky chicken? are you sure you just did not was going on?its not good to judge ever one cause what a few people might do..i been to alot of kinds of churches. i think there going to be people out all churches make it in and some people that not. there nothing wrong with jumping and shouting. the dog barking and the funky chicken what ever that be is a new on me:tiphat:
The problem with Pentecostalism, WoF, Vine Yard and those types is they teach the Holy Spirit is making them do those things. Plus a lot of other false doctrines like evidence of tongues, false tongues, they are little gods and so on.

As far as the jumping and shouting Paul addressed that well. Conduct yourself in meetings in a way that does not scare off others, does not make them think you are nuts and that there is substance in the meeting.

Sure, I have nothing against joy in the Lord. But there is a line.
jumping and shouting i can agree with that

[kay-gee]

Hi tjking, concerning 2 John :1 There is nothing in text to say this lady is a preacher teacher or overseer. John may have been refering to a church or the whole church as "lady" in his address or even a devout christian woman and her family. We know that the chuch as a whole is a "bride". Even paul makes several references to Christian woman in his writings. He commends many of them for service but never does he suggest that they are evangelists or pastors. 1st Tim 2:12 commands silence for woman and subjection to man in church.
all the best...

[a.baker]

Is it o.k. for a woman to hand out Gods Word and speak of it?

[Jessie]

Is it o.k. for a woman to hand out Gods Word and speak of it?

I dont see why not.

wemon have no business being a pastor. leading the men like that.

wemon have a place but not the head of a church!

[a.baker]

Would it be suitable to hand out Gods Word any where? I would assume so as long as you have respect to get permission first. For example if you want to do it by a business. I feel we can hand out bibles in publics but yet remain quiet. Shouting would probably scare people away. Just have a box and politely ask people if they would like one as they walk by. Would that be o.k.? (I haven't gotten any yet. for some reason Christians aren't into it). Am I talking false? I feel strongly no, but when ever I talk to people at my Church they listen and agree but never seem to give feed back. I grab their attention, they listen, but they don't respond. Am I speaking foolishly? I need feedback because the last thing I want to do is sound like a fool. If I am foolish in any way? I want people to tell me so I can quiet. Am I too passionate? When I get no feed back it makes me feel theres a problem and people aren't telling me. Just like before Christians would listen to me and they never once said open your bible and read it. I feel you guys will be blunt and honest with me since you told me to open my bible, amazing, you are the only Christians I ever met that did that wonderful thing for me. Do I present things wrongly? Sorry everyone but this is bothering me, again with my emotions... sigh.

[CoreIssue]

tjking, question, do you believe that if a person can`t speak in tongues they arn`t filled with the Holy Spirit?
i think when we get save we have the spirit and itwork on the in side of us speaking in tongues is one of the gifts. :tiphat: i think when we speak in toungues we let the holy spirit speak though us. i been told on here that kings james bible is not right.how can we agree if our bible s not the same. seek GOD and tell him if there more you wanted it.we can have these gifts but without love for one another and GOD is the main thing king james bible i going get back of here and try to read some greek.. dont get me wrong not saying you dont love ever one.. if we have the holy spirit we should have some of the gifts that go with.
Tongues as a gift is one thing. Tongues in the Pentecostal meaning of Evidence of Tongues is something entirely different, and not Biblical.

The Bible says not everyone has anyone particular gift but every saint has at least one gift.

It does not take tongues for the Holy Spirit to speak through us. He can speak through us in many many ways.

I agree we all need a true Bible. But that does not make it the KJV.

The argument of being the oldest fails. There are older ones still in use.

Most popular fails because if that were the case the RCC would be the True Chuch with the True Bible. It isn't in either case.

The KJV is in fact true to the core Gospel message. It is in the getting into deeper studies and other doctrines the problems enter in. Sadly true.

It has never been the only Bible out there, contrary to what some believe.

Never was an issue of saved, accepted or love in anything I have said or in anything I have thought you have said.

We are talking, studying and growing. Together it works much better! :D

[kay-gee]

A.baker, it is very important to differentiate between out in the public and in the church as in corparate worship. Woman are free to and should spread the gospel in their circles as much as possible. Nothing wrong with speaking and distributing literature. Think of the woman at the well. She ran into the town and told everyone of Jesus. Both Lois and Eunice, grandmother and mother of Timothy were Stalwarts of the faith that evidently had impact on life of Timothy. We always have Bible study where women pitch in. Where the prohibition lies is in the assembly of the church together. In our church, men do all the public serving, be it reading, praying, preaching, distributing the Lords supper, and lead singing. However Woman most often teach Sunday school, because it is understood they teach children, not excercising authority over men. Hope this helps
all the best...

[a.baker]

I found a local ministry to give some to. But I never feel it's enough; I want to do more. Maybe thats my feelings coming in and I should ignore that part. Or is it the HS banging on my door trying to get my attention and I am acting oblivious? I don't know. I just never like doing the minimal. Sometimes God puts very strong things in our hearts but doesn't respond when we ask the 5 w's.

[kay-gee]

puzzled ???

all the best...

[Jessie]

I found a local ministry to give some to. But I never feel it's enough; I want to do more. Maybe thats my feelings coming in and I should ignore that part. Or is it the HS banging on my door trying to get my attention and I am acting oblivious? I don't know. I just never like doing the minimal. Sometimes God puts very strong things in our hearts but doesn't respond when we ask the 5 w's.

5 w's?

always in moderation, and listen to him. priorities are a must.
family first.

[kay-gee]

Jessie, the 5 W's= What? Where? When? Who? Why? The five crucial questions in an investigation.
all the best...

[Jessie]

thought so but was'nt sure...